Can an American please answer a question?

"Nope, that particular subgroup of my country will never see one of its own as our nations' president" - Depressing attitude, that.

True, though. It's unfortunate, I know some very smart people who'd stand a good chance at aiming for the Presidency if they didn't reject the idea of God.
 
so we should elect a Prez that thinks the majority of the population is deluded?

I dont think that would be likely
 
I'm talking about open atheists though :P
Especially since "Christians who aren't really Christians" are apparently a majority of the Christians.

so we should elect a Prez that thinks the majority of the population is deluded?

I dont think that would be likely
No, it's actually the other way around. Most atheists and agnostics don't mind Christians one bit who don't try to inflict their beliefs on others or foolishly claim that have no morals.
 
Well, we might just have our first ever Mormon president come November, but nope on the atheist. And the reason is your first sentence.
That's what disappoints me about you, MobBoss. You would accept a liar like Romney as President just because he's willing to recite his oath while holding an inanimate object, but you wouldn't accept a truthful person who chooses not to hold an inanimate object.

Did it ever occur to you that moral atheists are moral because our consciences tell us it's the right thing to do, NOT because we're scared of divine retribution?

Let's be honest here, people. The reason we won't have an atheist president is because too many Christians see atheists as willing followers of the devil.
Well, what does the religion actually say about that? But thats not the reason I would primarily use, personally.
Which religion, MobBoss? :confused:

'Cause it's impossible for atheists to follow the devil, willingly or otherwise. We don't believe the devil exists, either.
 
No, it's actually the other way around. Most atheists and agnostics don't mind Christians one bit who don't try to inflict their beliefs on others or foolishly claim that have no morals.

Now thats laughable.

That's what disappoints me about you, MobBoss. You would accept a liar like Romney as President just because he's willing to recite his oath while holding an inanimate object, but you wouldn't accept a truthful person who chooses not to hold an inanimate object.

Did it ever occur to you that moral atheists are moral because our consciences tell us it's the right thing to do, NOT because we're scared of divine retribution?

A 'liar like Romney'? :confused: Sorry, I dont share your viewpoint of the man. And I find the term 'moral atheists' rather oxymoronic...kind of like the term 'jumbo shrimp'.

Which religion, MobBoss? :confused:

The original comment referred to Christianity did it not?

'Cause it's impossible for atheists to follow the devil, willingly or otherwise. We don't believe the devil exists, either.

This is immaterial to my point. I'm sure you've heard this one before: 'The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing people he didnt exist.....' The point being, his existence doesnt require your belief. As to doing his work...you try to convince people God doesnt exist, right? Well, there ya go...
 
A 'liar like Romney'? :confused: Sorry, I dont share your viewpoint of the man. And I find the term 'moral atheists' rather oxymoronic...kind of like the term 'jumbo shrimp'.

That shows how much you know about atheists. Good to know you're working with zero knowledge of the group involved.
 
Now thats laughable.
Regardless of whether you personally find it funny, it's true.

A 'liar like Romney'? :confused: Sorry, I dont share your viewpoint of the man. And I find the term 'moral atheists' rather oxymoronic...kind of like the term 'jumbo shrimp'.
I'm not the one who stuck my dog in a crate on the top of a car and took an all-day drive, even after the dog got sick... and then had the gall to laugh and claim the dog "loved it." :mad:

Are you saying that I am an immoral person? :huh: On what basis? Specific examples, please, because I'd really like to know.

This is immaterial to my point. I'm sure you've heard this one before: 'The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing people he didnt exist.....' The point being, his existence doesnt require your belief. As to doing his work...you try to convince people God doesnt exist, right? Well, there ya go...
You can believe in the devil if it pleases you to do so. I'm not stopping you. You can believe in God, if it pleases you to do so. I'm not stopping you from that, either, nor would I try. We are ALL free to believe in whatever pleases us.

Is it doing "the devil's work" to teach people about science? That's a rather sad way to look at it.

Is it doing "the devil's work" to want to keep religion out of politics and public schools? If you think that... well, as I said, your attitude toward atheists disappoints me.
 
And I find the term 'moral atheists' rather oxymoronic...kind of like the term 'jumbo shrimp'.
What about me, what have I done to be immoral? Or am I just an outlier?
 
And I find the term 'moral atheists' rather oxymoronic...kind of like the term 'jumbo shrimp'.

Interesting... so do you think that a man who does not believe in God cannot be a good man? Is that because disbelief in God is enough to qualify you as a bad person? Or are you saying that without a father figure to watch over us, we'll never behave?
 
Wel if you have the numbers, you can make that stick. =)
I wasn't posting for the proposition of having the numbers, just posting for the proposition that it shouldn't be a problem that our President recognizes that a majority of the citizens are, as you say, deluded.
And I find the term 'moral atheists' rather oxymoronic...
If only I had the moral fiber to get my direction from Zeus or Thor.
 
Let's be honest here, people. The reason we won't have an atheist president is because too many Christians see atheists as willing followers of the devil.

Not really and if they were, they would not be put there by the devil. The devil may have input, but he is not the final authority. It is God alone that allows who rules what. Your the one that went that route, I was just fixing that for ya.

It would not matter to me who became pres, even if one claims to be an athiest and shakes his fist at God. Remember the exodus?
 
I wasn't posting for the proposition of having the numbers, just posting for the proposition that it shouldn't be a problem that our President recognizes that a majority of the citizens are, as you say, deluded.

If only I had the moral fiber to get my direction from Zeus or Thor.

But it WOULD be a problem for ME, if I felt the Prez thought me deluded because of my religion
 
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