Coronavirus 14: Boosted Waves or Merely a Ripple?

Is it over?

  • YES

    Votes: 9 17.3%
  • NO

    Votes: 14 26.9%
  • It will never be over

    Votes: 13 25.0%
  • I'm over it

    Votes: 14 26.9%
  • I'm more worried about Monkey Pox

    Votes: 2 3.8%

  • Total voters
    52

It's a funny little world. They'll call you conspiracy theoryst when you denounce things as they happen. Years later they're quietly admitted. The CIA hd a really good idea when it made up the "conspitary theory" term and standard attack.

In the meanwhile stick your head in the ground, pretend the cow flu doesn't exist, and it'lll go away? If you don't test it isn't there, right?

It's very consistent which government constantly undermines global public health efforts. Because prevention is such a bothersome cost? Or perhaps because supressing diseases would be ontracy to the interests of "health care" big business?
Nah that's just me being a conspiracy theorist, surely?
 
They'll call you conspiracy theoryst when you denounce things as they happen. Years later they're quietly admitted.

Could you link back to the post when you were denouncing the US for anti-vaxxer campaigning and undermining covid vaccines? It's just possible I missed it among all of your posts that were using anti vaxxer disinformation to undermine the covid vaccines...

To be clear, yeah, that's morally disgusting from the US, but not particularly surprising. The US had already demonstrated that global vaccine campaigns were regarded as acceptable collateral damage for even comparatively minor political goals after the whole "fake polio vaccine campaign to try and find bin Laden" incident.
 
Trump at work saving America from the non whie world.
 
Trump at work saving America from the non whie world.
From the article:
The military program started under former President Donald Trump and continued months into Joe Biden’s presidency, Reuters found – even after alarmed social media executives warned the new administration that the Pentagon had been trafficking in COVID misinformation.
 
From the article:
Trump started it and it took Biden a few months to stop it. He took office in late Jan 2021 and perhaps had other issues on his plate for a few weeks? Do you know when he ws alerted by the media? Do you know how quickly the pentagon can stop a program?

You ignore that Trump launched the program and focus on Biden because he did not stop it as quickly as you think he shold have. :rolleyes:
 
Trump started it and it took Biden a few months to stop it. He took office in late Jan 2021 and perhaps had other issues on his plate for a few weeks? Do you know when he ws alerted by the media? Do you know how quickly the pentagon can stop a program?

You ignore that Trump launched the program and focus on Biden because he did not stop it as quickly as you think he shold have. :rolleyes:
I don't ignore anything Trump has done. But do you know any of the answers to your own questions?
 
But do you know any of the answers to your own questions?
I do not that is why I would not condem Biden for a "slow response". The isue should not be why Biden took a few months to end it, but rather, the fact that Trump was brazen enough to start such a campaign.to begin with.
 
I do not that is why I would not condem Biden for a "slow response". The isue should not be why Biden took a few months to end it, but rather, the fact that Trump was brazen enough to start such a campaign.to begin with.
I don't think it's uncontroversial to say that - as per the article - this continued into Biden's administration.

You're the one who blamed Trump, I didn't disagree with that. But we shouldn't pick and choose facts just because they happened under someone we like vs. not.

In whatever hypothetical world where it was Trump being slow to act, would you give him the same leniency? I doubt it. Nor should you, in my opinion.

You should also read MyCynical's post, imo. This isn't a new thing for the US.
 
That does ignore the historic lack of transition team by the Trump administration. The incoming administration is normally briefed and has policy goals ready day 1 because it's traditionally a duty of the outgoing administration. Trump did none of that leg work for a multitude of reasons leaving Biden behind a typical incoming administration.
 
I appreciate the desperation to pretend that it's not enough that one option is better than the other, we have to pretend said better option is completely free from sin and devoid of all flaws, but once again in the quoted segment they were apparently made aware.
 
Aware when and how long is takes to move the levers in an executive agency are the questions and ones we'll never have the answers for. I've worked both with and for state agencies in my state and know federal workers. I know how annoyingly slow any top down changes are which is why the so called lame duck period of the presidency is really important. They were months behind in the chaos of the tail end of Trumps term and transitional period. Biden is not an anti-vaxer that's just a silly view to hold.
 
Might as well quote the bit:

Facebook executives had first approached the Pentagon in the summer of 2020, warning the military that Facebook workers had easily identified the military’s phony accounts, according to three former U.S. officials and another person familiar with the matter. The government, Facebook argued, was violating Facebook’s policies by operating the bogus accounts and by spreading COVID misinformation.

The military argued that many of its fake accounts were being used for counterterrorism and asked Facebook not to take down the content, according to two people familiar with the exchange. The Pentagon pledged to stop spreading COVID-related propaganda, and some of the accounts continued to remain active on Facebook.

Nonetheless, the anti-vax campaign continued into 2021 as Biden took office.

Angered that military officials had ignored their warning, Facebook officials arranged a Zoom meeting with Biden’s new National Security Council shortly after the inauguration, Reuters learned. The discussion quickly became tense.

“It was terrible,” said a senior administration official describing the reaction after learning of the campaign’s pig-related posts. “I was shocked. The administration was pro-vaccine and our concern was this could affect vaccine hesitancy, especially in developing countries.”

By spring 2021, the National Security Council ordered the military to stop all anti-vaccine messaging. “We were told we needed to be pro-vaccine, pro all vaccines,” said a former senior military officer who helped oversee the program. Even so, Reuters found some anti-vax posts that continued through April and other deceptive COVID-related messaging that extended into that summer. Reuters could not determine why the campaign didn’t end immediately with the NSC’s order. In response to questions from Reuters, the NSC declined to comment.

The senior Defense Department official said that those complaints led to an internal review in late 2021, which uncovered the anti-vaccine operation. The probe also turned up other social and political messaging that was “many, many leagues away” from any acceptable military objective. The official would not elaborate.

The review intensified the following year, the official said, after a group of academic researchers at Stanford University flagged some of the same accounts as pro-Western bots in a public report. The high-level Pentagon review was first reported by the Washington Post. which also reported that the military used fake social media accounts to counter China’s message that COVID came from the United States. But the Post report did not reveal that the program evolved into the anti-vax propaganda campaign uncovered by Reuters.

The senior defense official said the Pentagon has rescinded parts of Esper’s 2019 order that allowed military commanders to bypass the approval of U.S. ambassadors when waging psychological operations. The rules now mandate that military commanders work closely with U.S. diplomats in the country where they seek to have an impact. The policy also restricts psychological operations aimed at “broad population messaging,” such as those used to promote vaccine hesitancy during COVID.
 
With that full quote seems pretty SOP. Identified the problem, reviewed how deep it was, and shut it down. Could have been done faster if the full extent of the program was revealed during the transition but it wasn't. Textbook government working as designed.
 
I'm not sure how you can read that excerpt and come to the conclusion that requiring an NSC mandate to get anywhere (after months of being given the information) requires a positive tone of voice. But alas, what can I expect with gems like this:
Biden is not an anti-vaxer that's just a silly view to hold.
(please quote where I called the dude an anti-vaxxer)
 
Welcome to the federal government. A 3 month turn around is honestly way faster then normal. I don't know why this is controversial to you it's slow that's by design. It's why people voted for Biden they wanted a return to slow boring and functional. And you 100% implied it by saying he let the program continue intentionally.
 
No, I'm arguing the response simply wasn't competent enough. Any words you (or Bird) put in my mouth are irrelevant.

"but that's the system working"

Then the system still deserves criticism. What you're saying is not a defense, nor a counterargument in the slightest. It's an indictment all by itself.

It's funny because BJ asked "how brazen was Trump to try it". The answer's in the article! People had to be told to stop. Nomatter how immoral the command, they followed orders, right? Nobody questioned it (to any effective degree), and it continued in part after the NSC mandate.

But sure. It's all Trump, and without him the problem magically stops existing. Naturally :D
 
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