Coronavirus: awaiting for the new wave

[Ferocitus]

Tanzania President John Magufuli cast serious doubts on the credibility of the nation’s national laboratory where samples are tested, saying that he had secretly had some animals and fruits tested and that a papaya, a quail and a goat had all tested positive.

 

[Takhisis]

The Argentine vice-minister for health tried to float the idea that perhaps we could use the two-component Sputnik V on twice as many people by giving the first component to one set of people and the second to others.
You cannot do that! The two components complement each other.

This is the person who signed the ‘homologation’ of the Russian vaccine™: a person who patently does not know how the vaccine works.

 

[red_elk]

The Argentine vice-minister for health tried to float the idea that perhaps we could use the two-component Sputnik V on twice as many people by giving the first component to one set of people and the second to others.
You cannot do that! The two components complement each other.

This is the person who signed the ‘homologation’ of the Russian vaccine™: a person who patently does not know how the vaccine works.

From what I read, it's possible to use only first component, vaccine will still work, but with reduced efficacy.
But it doesn't make sense if Argentina already bought two-component vaccine, because second component won't work without the first one.

 

[r16]

but twice the people will be vaccinated and they will all free to work . Anyone who wasn't treated to the British vaccine and important for this or that will get Pfizer's anyhow .

 

[The_J]

Tanzania President John Magufuli cast serious doubts on the credibility of the nation’s national laboratory where samples are tested, saying that he had secretly had some animals and fruits tested and that a papaya, a quail and a goat had all tested positive.

The quail and the goat could be positive. And maybe the president (or whoever was taking the samples) was positive and contaminated them.
It's good that labs are independently tested, but then you should use proper negative controls.
(although you'd also hope that the labs themself use negative controls in all their runs)

 

[Bamspeedy]

The quail and the goat could be positive. And maybe the president (or whoever was taking the samples) was positive and contaminated them.
It's good that labs are independently tested, but then you should use proper negative controls.
(although you'd also hope that the labs themself use negative controls in all their runs)

Tanzania is just making stuff up to declare they are 'Coronovirus Free'. They never instituted any lockdown measures, 0 'official' cases since May, all because of prayers, herbal remedies, and their glorious leader.

https://www.news.com.au/world/coron...e/news-story/7b7a1f7151458b6c767a6887a860d84d

 

[The_J]

Ah, nutters in charge.
They're good buddies with Turkmenistan, I assume .

 

[thetrooper]

Going to keep an eye on trends in Israel as they are jabbing very quickly. Incidentally on the rise in cases.

 

[innonimatu]

If you're riddled with the virus, the lockdown to get rid of it will take a fair bit longer than a fortnight to completely halt transmission. Intra-household spread and high risk essential workplaces will ensure that transmission continues for some time, even after nobody is having much contact with anyone else.

And if you're in the United States, the world's virus epicentre, the horse has well and truly bolted on the border thing. It looks like you're in Sweden, the same is probably true there, since there's more virus there than in many of their neighbouring countries.

I agree that it's though when the virus has spread a lot. But it is doable. If anything works it is that same approach that worked in countries that had the good sense to lock down early and control at borders.

It's just a matter of requiring more organization, more fine-grained: slit the problem (the territory to clean) into smaller units, stock appropriately and then lock down and extinguish. Move on and do so systematically. The country that best did this while riddled with the virus (and in this they did lie) was China, in its central province where it was first identified.

 

[thetrooper]

WHO finally in situ in China. Wonder why it took so long?

 

[red_elk]

Norway reports 23 deaths related to vaccination.
https://legemiddelverket.no/nyheter/meldte-bivirkninger-etter-koronavaksine-pr-14-januar-2021

That's sounds like very big number, giving that the vaccination has just started there.
Actually, vaccination tracker shows there were ~25000 people vaccinated, which gives approx 1/1000 mortality. Comparable to covid infection itself

 

[Kyriakos]

Norway reports 23 deaths related to vaccination.
https://legemiddelverket.no/nyheter/meldte-bivirkninger-etter-koronavaksine-pr-14-januar-2021

That's sounds like very big number, giving that the vaccination has just started there.
Actually, vaccination tracker shows there were ~25000 people vaccinated, which gives approx 1/1000 mortality. Comparable to covid infection itself

First do no harm

 

[red_elk]

First do no harm

I know, that's an oath of that Greek guy, Hippopotamus.

 

[thetrooper]

Maybe reconsider vaccination of people with one foot and two arms already in the coffin...

 

[The_J]

Norway reports 23 deaths related to vaccination.
https://legemiddelverket.no/nyheter/meldte-bivirkninger-etter-koronavaksine-pr-14-januar-2021

That's sounds like very big number, giving that the vaccination has just started there.
Actually, vaccination tracker shows there were ~25000 people vaccinated, which gives approx 1/1000 mortality. Comparable to covid infection itself

English: https://norwaytoday.info/news/norwe...de-effects-those-who-died-were-frail-and-old/
The mortality is probably in that age group considerably lower than covid though.

 

[Kyriakos]

Maybe reconsider vaccination of people with one foot and two arms already in the coffin...

That's the same group risking death by covid. (high risk)

 

[The_J]

The high risk group is considerably bigger though than the people who're very likely to die off anything.
Aaaaand that's why herd immunity (via vaccination) is important.

 

[red_elk]

English: https://norwaytoday.info/news/norwe...de-effects-those-who-died-were-frail-and-old/
The mortality is probably in that age group considerably lower than covid though.

Yes, it's wrong to compare vaccine-related deaths with mortality. Covid infection fatality rate is probably higher than 1/1000 even among all ages.
I realized it soon after posted, but Kyriakos already quoted me, so I left it as is.

 

[innonimatu]

The high risk group is considerably bigger though than the people who're very likely to die off anything.
Aaaaand that's why herd immunity (via vaccination) is important.

Except that we have no evidence that the vaccine provides sterilizing immunity and will allow for herd immunity. The companies making the vaccines themselves disclaim that it provides immunity. Even though they are shielded from liability.

With the information available imo the most we can expect from vaccines is that they will lower the death rate among risk groups and may reduce transmission by reducing the likeliness or duration of infections and viral shedding. They will nor eradicate the disease. Second order effects may make it worse, if vaccinated people drop all cautions and are asymptomatic carriers...

 

[The_J]

Except that we have no evidence that the vaccine provides sterilizing immunity and will allow for herd immunity. The companies making the vaccines themselves disclaim that it provides immunity.

This is still the most reasonable assumption. It's good to be cautious and test everything. But some things are still more liekly.

With the information available imo the most we can expect from vaccines is that they will lower the death rate among risk groups and may reduce transmission by reducing the likeliness or duration of infections and viral shedding.

That is the desired effect.
(besides obviously preventing infection of most people)

They will nor eradicate the disease.

in this case they cannot, because there are too many animal reservoirs.

Second order effects may make it worse, if vaccinated people drop all cautions and are asymptomatic carriers...

That's indeed a problem. Let's hope enough people get vaccinated to avoid this.