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When this Andre Rieux started changing his classic music salon orchrestra towards mass consumption, his style was ridiculed by the cultural elite, the heavy metal youth and everybody leftish.
And he doubled down in pomp, colors and style during the 80ies, and the "ordinary" people from the Province Limburg doubled down in their enthusiasm, in their support of their regionalist culture.
(Limburg the most southern province protruding into Germany and Belgium along the river the Maas (Meuse) towards France. Their own language/dialect and not clear if they are really accepted as Dutch by especially people living north of the river Rhine).
Now he is for many like the "ugly Christmas sweater" and has a huge (also global) fan base.

In a way Rieux a protest kid of his time just like the young students on the barricades of the 60ies.
He brought the classical music, just like Johan Strauss did, back to the "Wein, Weib und Gesang" social setting ("Wine, women and singing" in big pubs where you can dance, socialise and romance) and by that he attacked the traditional classic music performances in the chique concert buildings of the rich and "civilised" elite, where laughing and talking is forbidden like in a church.

I love to use Rieux music to provoke the liberal elite and the leftish people here in NL :D
A litmus test for tolerance and empathy.
We have three leftish political parties here in NL. The Social Democrats and GreenLeft are not able to have empathy and tolerance is minimal among GreenLeft. Only the Socialist Party, more populist, and its base in the bordering southern province Brabant (also Carnaval), can enjoy it, although their attic chamber political theoreticans despise Rieux.

It all makes me laugh that these leftish parties, who aim to be the parties of "the people", have no clue who many of these people are when they just want innocent fun and socialising with music.
Many active leftish people are, I am afraid, salon socialists, petty elitists not part of these ordinary people and not (yet) in charge over "the people". A kind of priests and pastors with theoretical good intentions.

Anyway, forgive my rant... and Apocalyptic-Dantesque... yes, there is something in that perception.
 
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https://vis.sciencemag.org/breakthrough2020/
the Science magazine has declared the Covid-19 vaccine (all of them) to be the scientific breakthrough of the year.
While important for the planet, I wholeheartedly disagree with this decision. The speed is phenomenal, but the underlying science is otherwise not outstanding or interesting. Some of the other runner-ups would deserve the breakthrough-label a lot more.

EDIT: A colleague is pushing me back there, since the mRNA technology is indeed rather new, but the breakthrough goes to all the vaccines, and not the mRNA one alone.
 
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The Trump admin approach to vaccines generally has made little sense. Why would you essentially bet everything on vaccines, and then not actually commit to them?

Trump administration officials passed when Pfizer offered months ago to sell the U.S. more vaccine doses.

"Trump administration officials passed when Pfizer offered in late summer to sell the U.S. government additional doses of its Covid-19 vaccine, according to people familiar with the matter. Now Pfizer may not be able provide more of its vaccine to the United States until next June because of its commitments to other countries, they said."

And Trump reacted to that by signing an executive order saying that vaccines made in the US could not be shipped to other countries (or something like that), and like previous half-assed EOs (see exhibit A, "all travel with Europe is suspended due to Covid") no one knows how to go about defining it or enforcing it, making it fairly pointless except to further convince supporters of how awesome Trump is, which I suppose is exactly what Trump was aiming for anyway as he doesn't seem to give a tinker's damn about actual deaths (see exhibit B, "don't allow covid-laden cruise ships to dock in the US because our statistics will take a hit").
 
just the place to make a note that the (Turkish and living in Germany) couple has the husband declare he had his vaccine ready on January 24th this year , and let's just say this was "before" April 1st.
 
And Trump reacted to that by signing an executive order saying that vaccines made in the US could not be shipped to other countries (or something like that), and like previous half-assed EOs (see exhibit A, "all travel with Europe is suspended due to Covid") no one knows how to go about defining it or enforcing it, making it fairly pointless except to further convince supporters of how awesome Trump is, which I suppose is exactly what Trump was aiming for anyway as he doesn't seem to give a tinker's damn about actual deaths (see exhibit B, "don't allow covid-laden cruise ships to dock in the US because our statistics will take a hit").

Really? That's going to rip up a lot of international vaccine agreements, including Australia's agreements for US vaccines. Why isn't it 21 January 2021 already?
 
Putin was asked by a journalist on press-conference, why he didn't take vaccine yet. Answered that he is outside of recommended age group and simply following the rules.
"Not safe" is a trigger word, it would be too stupid for him to use it.
Yes, but the Argentine government's approach to this is not your usual one.
a) ask the IMF for a lot of money in exchange for brutal austerity, distract everyone with news about the brutal pandemic shutdown.
b) admit the brutal pandemic shutdown is actually unnecessary from a medical point of view and then quickly distract everyone with Maradona's funeral and more.
c) proclaim that salvation comes from Russia because it's against the IMF, regardless of Russia's various protestations
d) all the above inveitably collapses
 
Really? That's going to rip up a lot of international vaccine agreements, including Australia's agreements for US vaccines. Why isn't it 21 January 2021 already?

I'm sure you're as clear as I am that the author of the executive order did not and does not care about details like international vaccine agreements. :coffee:
 
He doesn't care about agreement at so many levels.
 
c) proclaim that salvation comes from Russia because it's against the IMF, regardless of Russia's various protestations
Your government already took vaccine, I think.
Desire to praise Russia, drink vodka and crush capitalism are common side effects.
 
Fake 'immunity booster' found on sale in London shops

Coronil, a herbal remedy from India, was found on sale in shops in predominantly Asian areas across the capital.
Manufacturers Patanjali Ayurved claim the pills protect against "respiratory tract infections".
A lab test of the drug carried out by Birmingham University for the BBC showed the pills contained plant-based ingredients which cannot protect against Covid-19.
Virologist Dr Maitreyi Shivkumar said the idea of "boosting" immunity makes no sense in terms of treating coronavirus.
"There are lots of nuances in how our immune system responds to the virus. We do not even know that heightening immunity helps," she said.
"It is unclear what Coronil is trying to do to the immune system."
UK advertising rules ban references to Covid-19 and "boosting immunity".
 
Reading up on it, India's Ministry of Yoga and Homeopathy (I'm not making this up) told the guy making it to stop making false claims about the product.
 
Reading up on it, India's Ministry of Yoga and Homeopathy (I'm not making this up) told the guy making it to stop making false claims about the product.

But does that ministry have as cool a HQ building as the indian ministry for fish-related matters?



I doubt it.
 
Fake 'immunity booster' found on sale in London shops

Coronil, a herbal remedy from India, was found on sale in shops in predominantly Asian areas across the capital.
Manufacturers Patanjali Ayurved claim the pills protect against "respiratory tract infections".
A lab test of the drug carried out by Birmingham University for the BBC showed the pills contained plant-based ingredients which cannot protect against Covid-19.
Virologist Dr Maitreyi Shivkumar said the idea of "boosting" immunity makes no sense in terms of treating coronavirus.
"There are lots of nuances in how our immune system responds to the virus. We do not even know that heightening immunity helps," she said.
"It is unclear what Coronil is trying to do to the immune system."
UK advertising rules ban references to Covid-19 and "boosting immunity".

Coronil... I looked up the ingredients: Giloy(Tinosporacordifolia also known as Guduchi), Ashwagandha (Withaniasomnifera) and Tulsi (Ocimum sanctum)
Considering the traditional Indian herb ingredients, all traditional Ayurvedic medicins, I would not call Coronil a FAKE immunity booster. Enough literature on the 3 ingredients showing it has, can have positive effects. If people in India use it against typhus, a common disease there, it will surely help with the Guduchi ingredient. Easy to grow or harvest as weed everywhere in India.

But yeah... there is an incredible amount of wholesome food and herbs that we eat daily, that have also immunity boosting or immunity regulating effects in some ways. And an ordinary walk a couple of times a week of half an hour is also inmmunity boosting.

I think the BBC article has the intention to prevent people believing in miracle medicins and tinkering around in for them unknown areas about dosing and side effects.
And yes, we hardly understand our human immune system, we hardly understand how Covid influences it, we hardly understand of many immune influencing molecules how they exactly function including all the balancing and regulating of our body.
(too much immune is bad, too little is bad, how specific is what)
 
Coronil... I looked up the ingredients: Giloy(Tinosporacordifolia also known as Guduchi), Ashwagandha (Withaniasomnifera) and Tulsi (Ocimum sanctum)
Considering the traditional Indian herb ingredients, all traditional Ayurvedic medicins, I would not call Coronil a FAKE immunity booster. Enough literature on the 3 ingredients showing it has, can have positive effects. If people in India use it against typhus, a common disease there, it will surely help with the Guduchi ingredient. Easy to grow or harvest as weed everywhere in India.

But yeah... there is an incredible amount of wholesome food and herbs that we eat daily, that have also immunity boosting or immunity regulating effects in some ways. And an ordinary walk a couple of times a week of half an hour is also inmmunity boosting.

I think the BBC article has the intention to prevent people believing in miracle medicins and tinkering around in for them unknown areas about dosing and side effects.
And yes, we hardly understand our human immune system, we hardly understand how Covid influences it, we hardly understand of many immune influencing molecules how they exactly function including all the balancing and regulating of our body.
(too much immune is bad, too little is bad, how specific is what)
I am sure you are right. This is not the sort of evidence that is required to medical claims of a product.
 
I am sure you are right. This is not the sort of evidence that is required to medical claims of a product.

Yes. Coronil cannot be sold as medical

But that Headline of BBC accuses Coronil of being a FAKE immunity booster and that is imo 100% incorrect.
Fake Covid medicin would for example be possible
Although the word Fake was never used for Chloroquine

The headline of the BBC being: "Covid-19: Fake "immunity booster" found on sale on London shops"

 
Super-COVID in the UK ruins Christmas. Because of some new strain that is somehow worse the expected 4 day relaxation of the rules has been replaced with one day, and completely cancelled for the South East which has the super-covid. Probably the right thing, but has screwed my plans.
 
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Super-COVID in the UK ruins Christmas. Because of some new strain that is somehow worse the expected 4 day relaxation of the rules has been replaced with one day, and completely cancelled for the South East with has the super-covid. Probably the right thing, but has screwed my plans.

Here instead of 2 with Christmas as exception 3 visitors allowed.
This year only the kids visiting and the usual bigger Christmas gathering is gonna be replaced by a vid meeting.
 
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Yup, was planning to see my parents but turns out both they and I are in Tier 4 areas so that won't be happening. It's a sensible enough restriction, can't really complain. First Christmas I'll be spending alone, though. I wonder if it's too late to get a Christmas tree for my flat.
 
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