Dawn of Civilization - an RFC modmod by Leoreth

[christos200]

I can help. I read very much about byzantine history. But tommorow. Right now is 24:00 in greece so i cant help right now.

 

[Leoreth]

Oh nice! Maybe you could do Civilopedia entries in the same thread?

Why not?

*Babylonia was just extremely overpowered. They settled three cities in the Middle East, conquered Phoenica, held against Persia, won wars against Arabia and only collapsed on 1350. I hope they're in for some serious nerfing.

They are.

*Also is there any way to make Zoroastrianism disappear when Christianity or Islam spreads? It just feeld weird having Zoroastrianist Rome and Constantinopel in the 15th century.

That really makes sense.

Edit: Also, I assume you like to hear about this kind of things? If I'm abused as a beta tester, I at least want to do it right. =)

Of course! That's why I'm hanging around here all the time (besides procrastination).

Also do you like my recommendation on the terrain changes to the Balkans or is it not worth the effort?

I'm not too happy with an additional land tile to be honest. Will consider the mountain.

Talking about Zoroastrianism, Leoreth can you implement several religion changes in 600 ad:

-Add Zoroastarianism to Baghdad.
-Add Zoroastrianism and Buddhism to Qandahar.
-Add Zoroastarianism to Peshawar.
-Add Zoroastarianism and Buddhism to Merv, Samarkand and Kashgar.
-Remove Hinduism from Karachi and add Buddhism.

Will be done.

I reccommend making these changes since putting these religions there is more historical than Hinduism or Christianity spreading there which they inevitably do. Also there should be system that adds Islam (if the Arabs dont do this already) removes unhistorical religions from these cities after a certain date much like how it is with the Ottomans in Anatolia. It is annoying to have Buddhism be in Peshawar and Hinduism in Karachi in the 1300 ads.

The Arabs remove non-state religions when conquering cities.

I recommend 900 ad check which adds Islam and removes every religion except Islam in the Persia, Centrial Asia, Indus region.

If the Arabs go there, they will be removed, if they don't, I see no reason why they should.

I can help. I read very much about byzantine history. But tommorow. Right now is 24:00 in greece so i cant help right now.

No need to hurry. It would be good if you could find out the Byzantine / Medieval Greek names for the Balkan cities J. Pride mentioned (and also for Athens, which still lacks one as well).

 

[Ekolite]

Why not change Arabia's UP to automatically spreads Islam and removes other present religions. Historical, functional, but not too deterministic. If Persia is never conquered by the Arabs why should Islam replace Zoroastrianism anyway?

 

[Leoreth]

This IS the Arab UP

 

[Ekolite]

Oh

 

[AOS9001]

Considerable Zoroastrian population? You mean like all 5,000 of them? There's only like 200,000 Zoroastrians alive and the number drops by the day

Considerable indeed. 5,000 is a big number, considering how few of them there are.

 

[civ_king]

Considerable indeed. 5,000 is a big number, considering how few of them there are.

5,000 is an insignificant number in terms of major cities

 

[Tomorrow's Dawn]

Why not change Arabia's UP to automatically spreads Islam and removes other present religions. Historical, functional, but not too deterministic. If Persia is never conquered by the Arabs why should Islam replace Zoroastrianism anyway?

That's not true.

The Arabs never had a problem with Christians & Jews practicing in the Caliphate.
They just had to pay extra taxes and had a few other restrictions but otherwise were free to worship as they chose.

 

[Leoreth]

However, privileges for the Muslim part of the population resulted in the minorities of different religions gradually converting to Islam. Granted, it didn't happen immediately like it does in game, but imo this abstraction is acceptable.

 

[AOS9001]

Thank the maker! 3000 BC Byzantium spawn has returned, apparently. Though I still recommend adding Egypt to their flip zone, if it's Roman controlled. And making it so Rome doesn't declare war on them for losing cities.

However, I did end up in a very historical, never-ending battle against (what I'd like to think is Sassanid) Persia. It was most satisfying.

 

[Leoreth]

Yeah, there needs something to be done for the WRE-ERE relations, although an outright alliance as suggested before seems to be too much to me.

 

[christos200]

Athens = Athina.

 

[MuppyP]

They are.

That really makes sense.

Okay, thank you!

Also, is there any way the vassal name system could be expanded so you don't see 'Colony of Ethiopia' in 500 BC and some historical names (Dutch East Indies, Greek names for Egypt/Persia/Phoenica etc.) can be added?

 

[Leoreth]

Athens = Athina.

Thanks.

Okay, thank you!

Also, is there any way the vassal name system could be expanded so you don't see 'Colony of Ethiopia' in 500 BC and some historical names (Dutch East Indies, Greek names for Egypt/Persia/Phoenica etc.) can be added?

Yes, and I already know exactly how to do this (Synthesis already partially redid the naming system in this way), it's just that I couldn't find time for it now. Likeliest scenario is that I'll release 1.8 without it and then add it with 1.81.

 

[christos200]

Constantinople= Konstantinoupoli.

 

[J. pride]

If the Arabs go there, they will be removed, if they don't, I see no reason why they should.

Because it wasnt the Arabs that spread Islam to Afghanistan, Pakistan, Xinjiang (Western China), and a large part of Central Asia.

-It was traders that spread Islam to Western China.
-Sufi Saints were the driving force that converted large parts of Pakistan and Afghanistan.
-Islam spread to the Central Asian Turkish tribes by a large part by the local empires converting the tribes to Islam such as the case of the Samanid, Ghaznavids and Ghorid Dynasties which zealously converted the Turks.
-I take your point on Persia which is the only place from that mentioned where the Arab rulers played an active part in converting the local populace but it can be said that Persia influenced the history of Islam as much as Islam influenced the history of Persia. This would of course not be a "legitimate" reason but I feel like Persia is one of those places too important not to follow history in this case; atleast in 600 ad, 3000 bc on the other hand is a different story.

 

[christos200]

Sparta= Sparti

 

[BenZL43]

Why don't you spawn a Islam missionary to civilization X every time Islam spread to n X cities?
And the counter reset to 0 every time a coded Islam missionary spawn..
X = Name of Civilization (Mongol, Persia, etc)
n = Number of cities where Islam had spread

My idea because if Turk converted to Islam because of jealousy, like J.Pride said, there must be a missionary from the nation they jealous at, sent by the kings or requested by them to convert their peoples

 

[BenZL43]

Another idea. Trading companies bring either Catholic or Protestantism missionaries to the victim cities?

 

[Gruekiller]

Another idea. Trading companies bring either Catholic or Protestantism missionaries to the victim cities?

This should perhaps be amended to 'whatever the state religion of the conquering nation is'.