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I suppose that's fine then, if it's going to be 25% instead of 75%.
You're trading early access for power after all.
You have my support.
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I suppose that's fine then, if it's going to be 25% instead of 75%.
You're trading early access for power after all.
You have my support.
The Southerner
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Regarding the Australia map: I think Australia does need more resources (coal in the Bowen Basin, wine in the Barossa Valley after 1840-50, aluminium at Weipa, cows near Rockhampton after a certain date, etc) - I've been looking at the maps that were posted but haven't had the time to edit them yet.
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Yes, I swear someone made a thread on better resource placing of Australia a long time ago, but it must have been my imagination.
I remember the mentioning of wine, along with the moving of resources that you couldn't get with decent cities.
blizzrd
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Yes, I did make those suggestions. I didn't make a specific thread, just used the suggestions thread.
Leoreth adopted some of them at the time too (not all of them by any means). I'm not sure that he is looking to have another at adjusting Australian resources though.
Leoreth adopted some of them at the time too (not all of them by any means). I'm not sure that he is looking to have another at adjusting Australian resources though.
I think I said cores instead of capitals recently, but that was more a rule of thumb. The list of non-foreign powers is explicitly defined and contains India, Tamils, Khmer, Indonesia, Mughals and Thailand itself.
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It is sad to see Phoenicians to start without Alphabet 
Most likely there is a fear that Phoenicians will start too advanced, or will become so by rapidly trading techs right off the bat. We can take away Priesthood from them to make things more balanced.
The oldest known inscription that goes by the name of Phoenician is the Ahiram epitaph, engraved on the sarcophagus of King Ahiram from c. 1200 BCE, exactly the date Phoenicia spawns.
If no one discovered Alphabet by the time of Phoenicia spawn -- ABC just begs to be introduced into the game by this civilization. It would be very natural for them to pass Alphabet to neighbors via trade of technologies which is coincidentally enabled by Alphabet. Otherwise trading technologies could of been tied to another tech, in principle.
It is also a little embarrassing for Egypt often not to have Writing by the time of Phoenician spawn, perhaps AI needs to prioritize that. Original theories believed that World's first Alphabet was a direct variation of Egyptian hieroglyphs.
Finally Pedia still talks about Carthage, not Phoenicia in general.
Most likely there is a fear that Phoenicians will start too advanced, or will become so by rapidly trading techs right off the bat. We can take away Priesthood from them to make things more balanced.
The oldest known inscription that goes by the name of Phoenician is the Ahiram epitaph, engraved on the sarcophagus of King Ahiram from c. 1200 BCE, exactly the date Phoenicia spawns.
If no one discovered Alphabet by the time of Phoenicia spawn -- ABC just begs to be introduced into the game by this civilization. It would be very natural for them to pass Alphabet to neighbors via trade of technologies which is coincidentally enabled by Alphabet. Otherwise trading technologies could of been tied to another tech, in principle.
It is also a little embarrassing for Egypt often not to have Writing by the time of Phoenician spawn, perhaps AI needs to prioritize that. Original theories believed that World's first Alphabet was a direct variation of Egyptian hieroglyphs.
Finally Pedia still talks about Carthage, not Phoenicia in general.
Tigranes
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Indians with Hinduism as their religion spawn in 1500 BC when Hinduism is not founded yet and found Hinduism next turn. Chinese already have Confucianism by then. Which makes Confucianism the oldest religion in the game ... even vanila BTS shows more accuracy in dealing with Hinduism founding!
It would not be a crime for Indians to discover that Hinduism was autofounded in Varanasi in 16th or 17th century BC. Not only Shrine belongs to that city (and not Pataliputra!) but also oldest known Hindu scriptures date way into 3500 BC, so we are safe there. Let Independents enjoy Hinduism for few turns until Pataliputra gets founded. And then it will be natural to see "civilized" Indians to settle at the banks of Ganges river with Hinduism as their religion in 1500 BC.
There is a Harrapan civ in Pedia -- are you planning to add them as "Native Empire" later, Leoreth?
It would not be a crime for Indians to discover that Hinduism was autofounded in Varanasi in 16th or 17th century BC. Not only Shrine belongs to that city (and not Pataliputra!) but also oldest known Hindu scriptures date way into 3500 BC, so we are safe there. Let Independents enjoy Hinduism for few turns until Pataliputra gets founded. And then it will be natural to see "civilized" Indians to settle at the banks of Ganges river with Hinduism as their religion in 1500 BC.
There is a Harrapan civ in Pedia -- are you planning to add them as "Native Empire" later, Leoreth?
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Good idea, Tigranes. It is surprising the Indus Civilization is not represented in DoC. It should be since it is one of the oldest civilization. If not Indian, at least, make it independant.
Hinduism is founded earlier unless the player is India. I think it is more satisfying to be there when your religion is founded.
IVC has once been planned to be included as a short-lived Babylon-like civ to accomodate the moved Indian spawn date, but I have abandoned this plan for now.
IVC has once been planned to be included as a short-lived Babylon-like civ to accomodate the moved Indian spawn date, but I have abandoned this plan for now.
iOnlySignIn
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It is not satisfying at all to me because it comes with an instant and permanent -2 Stability penalty.
iOnlySignIn
Prince$s
Then perhaps it's time for you to make a thread?For frigs flipping sake everyone knows that stability will be completely redone soon
Nevertheless the last time I mentioned it I got surprised people asking me what how and why.
I'll make a thread on it when I start working on it. There's no point in discussing specifics when I'm not able to address them.
Maybe not everyone knows it, but you knew it, so it's annoying to see you complain here now.
Maybe not everyone knows it, but you knew it, so it's annoying to see you complain here now.
iOnlySignIn
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Was I complaining? I was just reminding you that this is one of the many things that needs to be changed when you redesign Stability.
And I actually agree with Tigranes in that Hinduism should be founded by Independents (regardless of Stability hits). It makes better sense.
Oh, and Taosim should be founded before Confucianism, if you wish to maintain historical realism. Only problem with this is that AI China often fails to research Calendar first - Persia and sometimes India or Egypt will get it first before China.
And I actually agree with Tigranes in that Hinduism should be founded by Independents (regardless of Stability hits). It makes better sense.
Oh, and Taosim should be founded before Confucianism, if you wish to maintain historical realism. Only problem with this is that AI China often fails to research Calendar first - Persia and sometimes India or Egypt will get it first before China.
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