Hopeful and relieved, evangelicals see Trump’s win as their own

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God bless you Republicans, For Jesus said do as I say not as I do.
At least evangelicals are at fully aware of Trumps deep flaws, but found this acceptable because they hope he will advance evangelical cause.

What strange bed fellows, But the GOP has long been an alliance between big business, evangelicals, libertarians and Linlcon conservatives. But we all know who wears the pants in this marriage

Honestly this is just depressing


Hopeful and relieved, evangelicals see Trump’s win as their own

For months, Rose Aller kept her support for Donald Trump a secret from her colleagues at the Northern Virginia school where she works as a substitute teacher.

Only at church did she feel surrounded by people who think like her, people who were distraught by the changing values they saw around them and pulling for Donald Trump as their unlikely standard-bearer to bring their chosen Christian policies back into the White House.

“Their deepest desires may be enacted into laws – or hated laws repealed. Their prayers were answered – by electing a rude, crude and morally unacceptable nonbeliever,” Hartford Seminary professor Scott Thumma, who studies megachurches and nondenominational evangelical churches, wrote in an email. “I have interacted with a few evangelicals since the election … and every one of them were proud and happy to have had a part in Trump’s election – not exactly because of who Trump is, but what he stood for.”

Christian speaker abroad hailed Trump’s victory. “It really makes you feel great to be a Christian,” he said.

“Hopefully, now we can see some progress for some evangelical causes in our country,” Gary Hamrick said. “I feel like we actually have an advocate now in the White House.”

He used another word too, to describe the mood of white evangelical America waking up as victors once again: “Relief.”


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ved-evangelicals-see-trumps-win-as-their-own/
 
The Washington Post had an article this morning about concerns that Trump is about to take aim at the First Amendment wrt free speech and freedom of the press. Might as well kick freedom of religion in the teeth too, while he's at it.
 
Historically, when it comes to the church and politics, those in charge, have hardly been great examples. They usually latch onto a goal and convince even the denizens of the underworld to join, or be destroyed.

I do not get the feeling , they think Trump is an example of righteousness, and he definitely does not put on airs like Clinton, and even Obama his first few years in office.

We can trust Trump is bad. I doubt we could trust Clinton would've been good. Trump has not claimed to be God on earth, yet afaik.
 
Does Trump even believe that God exists? I'm sure now that he's in office he is going to pretend to go to church and give a crap, but..

No, I don't think he'll pretend. He'll say, "They voted for me knowing what a wretch I am." I don't believe he does believe God exists. At least he doesn't believe the Evangelicals' God exists. He was asked whether he'd ever asked God for forgiveness and he answered No. No Evangelical would give that answer, and they would be appalled by anyone who did.

First, plenty of Evangelicals do despise Trump as a person, are appalled by him, but they see the Supreme Court as being in the balance, so they'll vote for a terrible person to help keep the court from growing more and more liberal. Second, I saw a panel of Evangelical ministers on a panel on C-SPAN reporting that Trump was in fact tearing their churches apart. I suspect it may have been enthusiastic-Trump vs reluctant-Trump rather than Trump/Hillary. But the Evangelical opinion on Trump is evidently not monolithic. But third, I heard along the way that the one respect in which Trump does resonate with Evangelicals despite his moral wretchedness is that he views the world in a similarly reductive binary way. The way everything is for him either a "total disaster" or "amazing" maps with their good/evil duality.
 
they think Trump is an example of righteousness
Do they?
Some of Trump avowed goals seem in line with the evangelical right's, but I haven't heard many trumpet his virtue.
 
The Washington Post had an article this morning about concerns that Trump is about to take aim at the First Amendment wrt free speech and freedom of the press. Might as well kick freedom of religion in the teeth too, while he's at it.

That's ok for the Evangelicals. As long as their freedom of their religion is preserved, everyone else can go to hell.
 
Does Trump even believe that God exists? I'm sure now that he's in office he is going to pretend to go to church and give a crap, but..
I would actually respect him a tiny minuscule amount if he were to just not bother with swearing on a bible (assuming he really is atheist). It's hypocrisy for an atheist to swear on a bible or anything else, but of course in this case I'm not sure if it would be considered legal. I do know that if I ever had to testify in a Canadian court I can't be compelled to swear on a bible or invoke any sort of religious references.

It was mind-boggling how much fuss was made when people were suspicious of Obama's swearing-in. Had he sworn on a bible or not? If so, which version? Oh noes, he's not really the president if he didn't swear on the right kind of bible... :run:

Do they?
Some of Trump avowed goals seem in line with the evangelical right's, but I haven't heard many trumpet his virtue.
As the saying goes, "the enemy of my enemy is my friend." As long as he rants against and tries to put down the people they despise, they'll put up with him.
 
Why don't American presidents just swear on the constitution? Isn't that basically what they are doing when they are being sworn in - pledging to respect and uphold the constitution? I mean, if you're going to swear in on a book it might as well be a good one, like Moby Dick or The Odyssey
 
Why don't American presidents just swear on the constitution? Isn't that basically what they are doing when they are being sworn in - pledging to respect and uphold the constitution? I mean, if you're going to swear in on a book it might as well be a good one, like Moby Dick or The Odyssey
Excellent point. The constitution should be what they're swearing on... except that it would then be considered a sacred document, and we know how some people dislike the idea that any sacred document might need to be amended.

If they (proverbial "they") insisted I swear on a book, I'd use whatever one I had handy. Assuming I'd picked up my mail on the way to court, I might find myself swearing on either a Mary Maxim Crafts catalogue, or whatever my latest book order was from Amazon (most likely to be a science fiction novel of some sort).
 
This is hilarious,
Just wait till the poor Republican find out about trumps extra marital affairs, bankrupcies, tax evasions, cheating corruption and non stop lying. Its going to be a long four years


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I have no clue why Christians seem to think Trump is anything other than the man of perdition, described in 2 Thessalonians 2, or in Trump speak, that's "Two Thessalonians".
 
As a Christian, I can say that there are some asking one another, "Is he the Antichrist?" Others I know are the opposite: they voted for Trump.

As for me, no, I'm not prepared to say Trump is the Antichrist just yet. Just because the USA goes down in flames, doesn't mean the whole world does. But to say I am "hopeful and relieved' that Trump was elected is a complete load of hooey. Whoever these evangelicals are, they sure as heck don't speak for me, or most people I know.
 
And another thing. There's little doubt many of these American "Christians" were fooled by such a son of perdition, as they're so busy hating people, like Muslims, for being different. That's between those people and God. If you have faith in God, like at all, you know God has all of this under control, and it's your job to care for people regardless of differences like this. So, because of lack of faith, they were fooled by a narcissistic deceiver who exalts himself on high. This is the sad state of the American churches.
 
As a Christian, I can say that there are some asking one another, "Is he the Antichrist?" Others I know are the opposite: they voted for Trump.

As for me, no, I'm not prepared to say Trump is the Antichrist just yet. Just because the USA goes down in flames, doesn't mean the whole world does. But to say I am "hopeful and relieved' that Trump was elected is a complete load of hooey. Whoever these evangelicals are, they sure as heck don't speak for me, or most people I know.

There is no "an antichrist" in the bible. There is "spirit of antichrist", or that which denies the savior and existed in the period of the penning of the Bible and long before. 1 John 4:3.

All this talk about "an antichrist" is made-up fluff from the 18th through 20th centuries, and it's really too bad.
 
Well, they think that Hillary Clinton is the devil, and you can't get worse than the devil. They're focusing on her and voting in the guy who doesn't trust Muslims. On the surface I bet to a lot of them it sounds like a pretty solid bet.
 
Do they?
Some of Trump avowed goals seem in line with the evangelical right's, but I haven't heard many trumpet his virtue.

You did not quote the part: "I do NOT get the feeling...." I would not call Trump an apostle Paul. It was Obama who came in as an alleged Muslim and left an alleged Christian. Was that a personal decision, or peer pressure from the established ways of doing things as leader of the USA?

One can mock freedom of religion, but it is not just freedom of. It is the freedom against the government establishing a religious way of directing one's life. Christianity even as a governing authority really has no ability to send people to hell. Atheist would live just fine under a theocracy, minus the point they would be unable to actually govern.

As the saying goes, "the enemy of my enemy is my friend." As long as he rants against and tries to put down the people they despise, they'll put up with him.

I don't see it as being an enemy, but that seems to be a general default statement when it comes to "taking sides". Sure Christians are human and capable of hatred. Is there a difference between strong emotional distaste and hatred? It would seem to me the difference is between who and what to hate. I would like for someone to point out where it says any where, a religious person is supposed to hate another person who they disagree with. I would think that hatred of other people is a human problem, not a religious one. Most religions have a list of do's and do not's. I have never seen a list of people to hate or despise as you call it. Hillary may be a hypocrite, but that is not a reason to despise her. Just like Trump is despised for certain actions, it is the actions and results of actions that go against the conscious of all humans, unless they just do not care about such actions or results from actions. It is not a sin to be a human, but the human condition is the sin. Every one judges and are judged by all, because of the very fact that the human condition is sin. If one can point out there is no sin, then what would you call the inclination to hate others, instead of the ability to listen to them?

The point is we treat all humans with the same respect, even if they do not deserve it (in our opinion). We are all at fault. Having said that, we are in a democracy, and we get the chance to voice our opinions on how we are governed. That is the point, even if there are others who do not agree with how we think that life needs to be lived out. It is natural to hate people. It is hard to let others take advantage of us, or put us down. The ability to remove an action from the individual, and just view them as an equal is the most difficult task, but it is not impossible. Even being able to do that does not make one a Christian or even religious. It is the ability to rise above the human condition. Christianity is more a "forgiving others" religion, but I doubt hardly any one even understands or practices the notion. It's leadership over the last close to 2000 years, have done mostly the opposite. Kill and excommunicate all who oppose us is not the central theme of Christianity, but a mode of governing others, and retaining the ability to govern. It is understandable given it's tract record that any endeavor on the part of a Christian at voicing an opinion on how one is governed comes as a threat to every one who feels threatened.

The irony is that any one who feels threatened by Christianity are just re-enforcing the point: Christianity has the ability to be a powerful force. That was an alleged prediction given by Jesus himself even before Constantine decided to turn the government over to the Roman church. It has been pointed out that Constantine understood this and not as fulfilling prophecy, but as an insurance of keeping the Roman Empire alive longer than it was naturally supposed to be. What is even more interesting is that when communism came along, the Roman church hedged it's bets and despite concerns from traditionalist, decided to use communism to keep it's influence alive. So it would seem that this election did have the backing of the church, even if that fact is not accepted by most posters here. And, yes there is part of the church that is liberal. That started when Jimmy Carter became President, if not before. Even with the voiced concerns of the founding fathers it is near impossible to separate the church from the state. It is how Bill Clinton was elected as well. I would say that the church voted both ways this time, so there may have been more of the church for Trump, or the fact that the church equates to the establishment more than we want to admit it, and Trump will be the one to break the cycle of the church being so involved in the government.. Perhaps Hillary was counting too much on the church, especially on her constant attacks on Trump's behavior as opposing the "Christian value". To me, Hillary is not an enemy, but represents the fact that the church has been too much involved in government. If Trump is the one to break the cycle, then most secular minded people should be happy, that in the US, the separation of church and state may be a reality no matter how painful it is to that end.

It may be too late, because most governments are not run as businesses, but moral arbitrators. While the evangelicals may be split on the issues of separation of church and state, and having a moral government, it seems by far the liberal Christians who feel more threatened about how they are being governed. It does not matter who governs to a person that holds to the strict separation of church and state. Yet that powerful group seems to be more threatening than the church who governs in a liberal way. It would seem to me that as a secular person one would want a business like government, instead of a moral/religious one. Communism was the original Christian concept. It was the marriage of hierarchy and kingship that brought forth capitalism and even the model of the boardroom. Morality had little to do with it, as the point of forgiveness, could be administered at the end of one's life and all would be well. Having a centralized government is the secular need for survival. It is also how the church acts in a secular manner. But giving up control is the theme of those who are afraid of the church and how the church itself should operate to make it fair for all humanity.

There is no "an antichrist" in the bible. There is "spirit of antichrist", or that which denies the savior and existed in the period of the penning of the Bible and long before. 1 John 4:3.

All this talk about "an antichrist" is made-up fluff from the 18th through 20th centuries, and it's really too bad.

It is not made up fluff. Now people trying to explain how it happens are things of Hollywood movies and relatively entertaining, but to say there is no factual biblical account of an antichrist event, would remove parts of Revelation from the Bible. It is not something the church brings about. It is something that God will allow despite what the church itself does or does not do. It is part of the restoration of the nation of Israel. I would go so far as to say that the church will not even be around to witness it, but I guess that point is even more debated than an actual antichrist. The point of the antichrist is the point that the Jews are still looking for a Messiah.
 
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I don't think evangelicalism is coherent enough for evangelicals to agree with one another or to have a solid grasp on reality through the lens of their doctrines.
 
It is not made up fluff. Now people trying to explain how it happens are things of Hollywood movies and relatively entertaining, but to say there is no factual biblical account of an antichrist event, would remove parts of Revelation from the Bible. It is not something the church brings about. It is something that God will allow despite what the church itself does or does not do. It is part of the restoration of the nation of Israel. I would go so far as to say that the church will not even be around to witness it, but I guess that point is even more debated than an actual antichrist. The point of the antichrist is the point that the Jews are still looking for a Messiah.

"...would remove parts of Revelation..."
This statement is loaded. I'll respect your futurism, but there's no word "antichrist" in Revelation or Daniel and Jesus never spoke the word once.
 
It is not made up fluff. Now people trying to explain how it happens are things of Hollywood movies and relatively entertaining, but to say there is no factual biblical account of an antichrist event, would remove parts of Revelation from the Bible. It is not something the church brings about. It is something that God will allow despite what the church itself does or does not do. It is part of the restoration of the nation of Israel. I would go so far as to say that the church will not even be around to witness it, but I guess that point is even more debated than an actual antichrist. The point of the antichrist is the point that the Jews are still looking for a Messiah.

There have been several antichrists; it's a recurring character. Antiochus Epiphanes, Titus Flāvius, and maybe Hitler (Hitler is my own personal theory). I've probably missed a few. I'm not sure we'll recognize The Antichrist until it's over, but the Jewish temple needs to be rebuilt first, and that has several ceremonial hurdles -- but they are working on that. (if you want to follow an interesting rabbit trail, google "red heifer")
 
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