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Is Obama a (US) conservative?


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kochman

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Since I have seen several members of this forum claim that Obama is actually conservative... and we know Obama's opinion on same sex marriage has "evolved"... and he is the leader of the country (good work conservatives!)... he must be a very influential conservative.

So, American conservatives have evolved...

Is Obama a conservative?
Let's make a real stand here and figure this out, it could change a lot of discussions.
 
A conservative by any other definition than the American one
 
A conservative by any other definition than the American one
That's a total fallicy, most of the world is far to the right of what you think the rest of the world is... as has been pointed out here several times.
You don't get to define the center for the entire world like you just did because you want to discuss places that are more liberal than the US.
Since you said "any other definition than the American one", you are quite wrong.
 
They haven't.
They were created 6.000 years ago by God.
 
Here's why the Political Compass ranks Obama not only as a conservative quite close to the Republican presidential contenders, but almost as staunch of an authoritarian. YMMV:

http://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2012

This is a US election that defies logic and brings the nation closer towards a one-party state, masquerading as a two-party state.

The Democratic incumbent has surrounded himself with conservative advisors and key figures — many from previous administrations, and an unprecedented number from the Trilateral Commission. He also appointed a former Monsanto executive as Senior Advisor to the FDA. He has extended Bush tax cuts for the wealthy, presided over a spiralling rich-poor gap and sacrificed further American jobs with recent free trade deals.Trade union rights have also eroded under his watch. He has expanded Bush defence spending, droned civilians, failed to close Guantanamo, supported the NDAA which effectively legalises martial law, allowed drilling and adopted a soft-touch position towards the banks that is to the right of European Conservative leaders. We list these because many of Obama’s detractors absurdly portray him as either a radical liberal or a socialist, while his apologists, equally absurdly, continue to view him as a well-intentioned progressive, tragically thwarted by overwhelming pressures. 2008's yes-we-can chanters, dazzled by pigment rather than policy detail, forgot to ask can what? Between 1998 and the last election, Obama amassed $37.6million from the financial services industry, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. While 2008 presidential candidate Obama appeared to champion universal health care, his first choice for Secretary of Health was a man who had spent years lobbying on behalf of the pharmaceutical industry against that very concept. Hey! You don't promise a successful pub, and then appoint the Salvation Army to run it. This time around, the honey-tongued President makes populist references to economic justice, while simultaneously appointing as his new Chief of Staff a former Citigroup executive concerned with hedge funds that bet on the housing market to collapse. Obama poses something of a challenge to The Political Compass, because he's a man of so few fixed principles.

As outrageous as it may appear, civil libertarians and human rights supporters would have actually fared better under a Republican administration. Had a Bush or McCain presidency continued Guantanamo and introduced the NDAA, the Democratic Party would have howled from the rooftops. Under a Democratic administration, these far-reaching developments have received scant opposition and a disgraceful absence of mainstream media coverage.
That certainly doesn't strike me as being in the least bit "liberal".
 
I absolutely LOVE that you take the "Political Compass Test" analysis, as though Obama had answered it himself or they are the deciders, as fact.

It is hilarious Formy, and I thank you.
 
What metric do you use? What's implemented or what he personally believes?

I imagine he's a bit to the left of what he's done. That's the confines of office. On what he's done though I'd say centrist. I think this joke sums it up rather well:

There was just a 5.8 earthquake in Washington. Obama wanted it to be 3.4, but the Republicans wanted 5.8, so he compromised.
 
I think he is much more liberal in beliefs than he is in governing. The current political climate doesn't allow for him to be as liberal as he probably actually is.

Not that I actually have much evidence for this. It's just the vibe I get from him.
 
In a global context, President Obama is almost dead center.
 
Comrades! Obama is a bourgeois capitalistic pig-dog! He is not, however, a conservative. Conservatism is not the only type of bourgeois capitalistic pig-dog ideology.
 
@JohnRM

Hardly...
But, regardless, I specifically noted US conservative in the poll question...

@Lone Wolf - precisely.
 
@Lone Wolf - precisely.
:lol: I understand that you actually agree with the serious part of my post, but I still can't help but find it amusing that you reply "exactly" to a post that uses the "capitalistic pig-dogs" phrase.
 
:lol: I understand that you actually agree with the serious part of my post, but I still can't help but find it amusing that you reply "exactly" to a post that uses the "capitalistic pig-dogs" phrase.
There are definite pig-dogs among us here in the USA.
 
Here's why the Political Compass ranks Obama not only as a conservative quite close to the Republican presidential contenders, but almost as staunch of an authoritarian. YMMV:

http://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2012

That certainly doesn't strike me as being in the least bit "liberal".

If Obama really is a Conservative then maybe all you liberals should find another candidate to vote for in 2012.
 
If Obama really is a Conservative then maybe all you liberals should find another candidate to vote for in 2012.
Unfortunately the other guy who runs is a capitalist locust.

I also don't get how when Obama changes his opinion it affects anyone else.
 
If Obama really is a Conservative then maybe all you liberals should find another candidate to vote for in 2012.

Well, maybe all you fundamentals should vote for Rick Perry and Rick Santorum, regardless of whether they're actually standing or not.
 
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