My socializing has been getting in the way of me finding a new job due to limited hours per day. I need like a week's vacation from my dayjob so I can get my crap together that I need to do before I can really start searching for work.
How to get a job (or not)
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My socializing has been getting in the way of me finding a new job due to limited hours per day. I need like a week's vacation from my dayjob so I can get my crap together that I need to do before I can really start searching for work.
Hygro
soundcloud.com/hygro/
For sure. It depends on the gig. He's playing the media game and he's already got his momentum.
Mise
isle of lucy
How to get a job in the professional services: http://www.economist.com/news/busin...es-unexpected-guide-getting-good-job-how-join
Pretty good advice imo. I mean first of all you have to be smart. But how to pick one person out of a bunch of really smart people? You pick the one that you get along with the best. That's the gist of the article.
Pretty good advice imo. I mean first of all you have to be smart. But how to pick one person out of a bunch of really smart people? You pick the one that you get along with the best. That's the gist of the article.
When the choice is difficult, we tend to pick the people we like best; the ones we expect to get along with most easily. The article was interesting and I would agree with it. My MBA class in the early 80s was full of those who wanted to be Investment bankers and consultants and join the coming M&A feeding frenzy. I'm sure many of them made it into the 1% too. It was not a life I wanted though.
I got a new permanent job through this very website...
I was browsing this thread Farmers can no longer buy John Deere tractors and wondered if diesel mechanics had specific training in software. Johndeere.co.uk directed me to an external jobssite which didn't have any more detail.
I decided to check that website for any jobs, saw an interesting one that I hadn't spotted on any other Irish jobsites, applied, got a call the next day - they were interested and were interviewing a few days later - could I come in - had a good long chat with them and am starting in two weeks.
I have been working on a temporary contract for the past seven months in a struggling company so am glad to be moving into a permanent job with a (what seems like a) good company.
I was browsing this thread Farmers can no longer buy John Deere tractors and wondered if diesel mechanics had specific training in software. Johndeere.co.uk directed me to an external jobssite which didn't have any more detail.
I decided to check that website for any jobs, saw an interesting one that I hadn't spotted on any other Irish jobsites, applied, got a call the next day - they were interested and were interviewing a few days later - could I come in - had a good long chat with them and am starting in two weeks.
I have been working on a temporary contract for the past seven months in a struggling company so am glad to be moving into a permanent job with a (what seems like a) good company.
I dunno, that's a different conclusion than I draw from that article - what I get from it is that interviewers are meatbags and your best bet is to game their psychology.
Congrats, really!
Hmmm... this is anecdote-vs-data, but my own hiring experience has been explicitly looking for people that I can communicate clearly with, that "get it". Lots of variously nice people, but invariably "understood and answered the questions I asked clearly and concisely" has gotten the job I'm interviewing them for, and in practice those have been the ones I can delegate issues to with the confidence that the result will be what I expect.
Hmmm... this is anecdote-vs-data, but my own hiring experience has been explicitly looking for people that I can communicate clearly with, that "get it". Lots of variously nice people, but invariably "understood and answered the questions I asked clearly and concisely" has gotten the job I'm interviewing them for, and in practice those have been the ones I can delegate issues to with the confidence that the result will be what I expect.
Do you not find that the two overlap, though? If you've got somebody that you can brief quickly, understands what needs to be done and gives you confidence that it'll happen, you're going to like them. If you feel that a person is untrustworthy, a bit slow or that it's hard work to get information to or from them, you're not going to naturally warm to them.
Zkribbler
Deity
Somewhat related question on dress.
I work at a relatively large software company in a very technical customer support role. This company has no dress code, many people come to work wearing sweatpants, flip-flops, etc. Managers tend to dress neatly, but still often casually. I've seen my boss wearing shorts and a hoody at work for example. We also have a business casual dress code for any face to face work with a customer.
Now I've been wavering between embracing it and trying to dress just a bit better (dress shirt, belt, jeans, sperry's) vs. (random T-shirt, shorts/jeans, chucks/sneakers). The second would make me fit in a little bit better, but the first might make me seem more professional.
What would your logic be in this situation? Would dressing neater help subliminally effect people into respecting me more and thinking I was a better worker? Or make me seem like I didn't fit in? Or should I even worry about it?
I work at a relatively large software company in a very technical customer support role. This company has no dress code, many people come to work wearing sweatpants, flip-flops, etc. Managers tend to dress neatly, but still often casually. I've seen my boss wearing shorts and a hoody at work for example. We also have a business casual dress code for any face to face work with a customer.
Now I've been wavering between embracing it and trying to dress just a bit better (dress shirt, belt, jeans, sperry's) vs. (random T-shirt, shorts/jeans, chucks/sneakers). The second would make me fit in a little bit better, but the first might make me seem more professional.
What would your logic be in this situation? Would dressing neater help subliminally effect people into respecting me more and thinking I was a better worker? Or make me seem like I didn't fit in? Or should I even worry about it?
Hygro
soundcloud.com/hygro/
Well what makes you perform better?
I find when I make a conscious effort to dress up, I perform better.
I find when I make a conscious effort to dress up, I perform better.
Kennigit
proud 2 boxer
Thank goodness for polos and khakis with simple black or brown dress shoes
Good in all work environments unless literally every man and woman is in a suit
Good in all work environments unless literally every man and woman is in a suit
warpus
Sommerswerd asked me to change this
People will treat you better (on average) when you look more professional. Whatever you wear, take good care of yourself, your hygiene, pick your clothes carefully, and it will pay dividends, both on the job and off.
Make sure you fit in though, don't obviously over-dress, that could just single you and potentially alienate you from your group. You don't want to make everyone else look bad and make them wonder whether they should be dressing better, which might lead to some resentment.
So I guess my advice would be to balance it out. I personally wear better clothing than what's expected for my position and pay grade, but I make sure that it's all very comfortable as well. I found these Calvin Klein pants that are very slick looking, silky smooth on my legs, fit me perfectly, make me look like a million bucks, and are super comfy. My shirts follow similar parameters... but I have to admit they were not easy to find.
I work in an office that's got a lot of people who interact with the public, though.. and I do that from time to time too - so people tend to dress better overall. So in a way what I'm doing is trying to fit in, even though I don't have to. It helps overall, and like I said my clothes are very comfortable, so I see it as a win/win/win.
So yeah, in the end it's a balance of various factors. Consider them and dress appropriately.
Similar role, I dress up, button-down/khakis/slip-on leather shoes. Jeans on Friday.
I don't really think about the logic behind it, I've got other things to do.
I work in an office with the same dress code. For about the first year or so, I only wore collared shirts to the office, and never wore shorts. This was partly so I'd work a little better, and party to show everybody else I was a PROFESSIONAL.
After more than a year, I can see nobody cares, so when it gets stupid hot like it does here in DC Summers, I wear shorts and flip flops some times, and will occasionally wear a t-shirt.
At media events, games, press conferences, etc...I'm always in a tie, and typically a coat and tie as well, which is not always the standard.
GenMarshall
High Elven ISB Capt & Ghost Agent
I don't have any "interviewing clothes" and I kind of think that's part of my problem on getting a better job. Is there any set standard for an interviewing clothes that would help, especially a set that would say to the interviewer "hire me! I'm the best you have".
Zkribbler
Deity
Zkribbler
Deity
You'll hear this often: "Dress for the job you want." Dress like those who already have the job you're looking for.
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