Let's have a vote: Should the West intervene in Syria?

[Rashiminos]

You heard it here first, folks; it is impossible for heads-of-state and world leaders to ever do anything out of simple human emotion.

That's actually a foreign concept for some of them.

 

[ReindeerThistle]

You heard it here first, folks; it is impossible for heads-of-state and world leaders to ever do anything out of simple human emotion.

Not what I said. I was specifically speaking of Billy "I keep wanting to.call him Carter" Clinton. This man wanted power and he earned it. He is a class warrior, too, and a fine adversary.

That's actually a foreign concept for some of them.

Some, yes.

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[Virote_Considon]

You know, a better candidate for "last African war successfully resolved through military intervention" would be the civil war in Sierra Leone, which was won conclusively about 3 months before Angola's ended by the intervention of superior Capitalist British forces!

 

[Lord Baal]

The Brits and the French were doing a good job of stopping Suez before Eisenhower interfered.

 

[Borachio]

That's a...uniquely poor effort at supporting your claim.


[and stuff].

I refute that this was a "uniquely poor effort" entirely.

But thanks for the truly educational stuff, anyway.

Still, nowhere have I ever suggested, or rather intended to suggest (since, who knows, someone may have taken me to mean that I did), that humanitarian aid shouldn't include a concerted, sincere, and persistent diplomatic effort.

Now, how about a list of conflicts that haven't been successfully resolved by military action?

 

[ReindeerThistle]

But thanks for the truly educational stuff, anyway.

IF you want a complete dissertation on the effects of current US and world neo-colonial policies, see Dachs.

If you want to kick their bourgie asses, see ReindeerThistle.

Historicism is not Marxism. I take sides, not pictures.

Now, how about a list of conflicts that haven't been successfully resolved by military action?

Ran out of ink before the list finished.

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[Gucumatz]

You heard it here first, folks; it is impossible for heads-of-state and world leaders to ever do anything out of simple human emotion.

Sometimes I can't tell which commie is crazier on these forums, Mr. Reindeer here or the local smiley face Ruskie

 

[ReindeerThistle]

Sometimes I can't tell which commie is crazier on these forums, Mr. Reindeer here or the local smiley face Ruskie

Sure, name call all you want. But do YOU really think world leaders operate off of emotion? I mean, Huey Long and Adolph Hitler are long gone, but in spite if their fiery speeches, these men had a plan.

Best thing Clinton ever did was let Elian go back to Cuba.

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[Lord Baal]

Human beings making decisions using human emotions is clearly not possible. The second these people become heads-of-state the lizard-people reverse-vampire Illuminati - which are anti-communist - suck all the emotion out of skulls and force them to operate according to a combination of state pragmatism and hooker-impregnation.

 

[ReindeerThistle]

Human beings making decisions using human emotions is clearly not possible. The second these people become heads-of-state the lizard-people reverse-vampire Illuminati - which are anti-communist - suck all the emotion out of skulls and force them to operate according to a combination of state pragmatism and hooker-impregnation.

Lord Baal, as we can see is not a world leader, as his emotional reaction to pretty much anything I post precludes him from making rational decisions or rational posts.

However, to say all world leaders are anti-communist, or to suggest I said so just proves my point above. Castro, Maduro, Ortega, Xi, et al are clearly not anti-communist.

I was speaking with my Dad last night, he was wishing me a Happy Birthday, btw, and he knew George HW Bush and remarked to me hiw Bush is a very nice man. Does that mean I agreed with his policies? No, though I did vote for him in 1988 before I was a commie.

World politics are not driven solely by human emotion. Thank God, because MacArthur would have nuked the DPRK and China.

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[Gucumatz]

So you are just like Romney then? Voting for Dukakis/working for him and then going off to the dark side? And you are right - world politics isn't really driven by emotion, just a little silly to say it has no part.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

What does "the west" hope to achieve? Military force carries expense in lives and dollars, and there's no good end result to intervention that I can foresee.

 

[ReindeerThistle]

So you are just like Romney then? Voting for Dukakis/working for him and then going off to the dark side? And you are right - world politics isn't really driven by emotion, just a little silly to say it has no part.

I did not say it has NO part.

But, no, I voted for Bush 41 because I am a Republican. I stopped voting and became a Red because of those same conservative values: love of country;" strong moral/ religious underpinnings; belief in work and rewards for hard work, and belief in justice.

And I don't like liberals.

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[Flying Pig]

How do you reconcile being a patriot and being a communist?

 

[hobbsyoyo]

Lord Baal, as we can see is not a world leader, as his emotional reaction to pretty much anything I post precludes him from making rational decisions or rational posts.

I suggest you drop this line of attack in the strongest possible terms.

What does "the west" hope to achieve? Military force carries expense in lives and dollars, and there's no good end result to intervention that I can foresee.

The threat of force looks to provide much more meaningful diplomatic options than diplomacy alone given the developments of the last 24 hours.

Though the circlejerk is so close to limping the biscuit at this point that I don't expect anyone to concede that point.

#OMGHITLERKINGOBAMASUX

 

[ReindeerThistle]

I suggest you drop this line of attack in the strongest possible term

Thank you, Hobbs. I will.

Spoiler :

Though I hesitate to call it an attack. It's more of a limited strike, limited in duration, meant to accomplish nothing.

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[hobbsyoyo]

Well played

 

[Lone Wolf]

You heard it here first, folks; it is impossible for heads-of-state and world leaders to ever do anything out of simple human emotion.

Well, I'd always look for other explanations first. It's not enough for a leader to have the emotion to do something when his power is constitutionally limited, at least.

 

[red_elk]

How do you reconcile being a patriot and being a communist?

Aren't these two prerequisites for each other?

 

[ReindeerThistle]

How do you reconcile being a patriot and being a communist?

Aren't these two prerequisites for each other?

Being a patriot is a prerequisite for being a communist. Absolutely. Not a Nationalist, but an Internationalist.

Think RL Stevenson: "A man's feey must be planted firmly in his own country, but his eyes must survey the world.

Patriotism =/= "My country wrong or right," it means "Right my country's wrongs."


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