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The world hates us because they cannot understand us.

When Osama attacked us, he changed nothing. His people earned the attention of those infinitely their greater. That which the world knows as the "US imperialists" are its salvation through destruction.

we're hardly infinitely greater than anyone now. usa despite having a high gdp per capita lags badly behind in overall health, education while leading the pack in drug abuse and murder.

we peaked when we put a man on the moon and it was all downhill from there. i blame reality tv and celebrities such as paris hilton and kim kardashian. hollywood is there to distract the masses from the systematic abuse of power of the us government, both abroad and at home.
 
we're hardly infinitely greater than anyone now. usa despite having a high gdp per capita lags badly behind in overall health, education while leading the pack in drug abuse and murder.

we peaked when we put a man on the moon and it was all downhill from there. i blame reality tv and celebrities such as paris hilton and kim kardashian. hollywood is there to distract the masses from the systematic abuse of power of the us government, both abroad and at home.

Well aren't you just the little blame-a-thon? So far you've blamed the rich plutocracy, unions, reality TV, celebrities, and Hollywood. Do tell, who's next in causing the "decline" of this nation?
 
We are the harbinger of the world's perfection.
 
That which the world knows as the "US imperialists" are its salvation through destruction.

:lol: ASSUMING CONTROL!!

Back on track here, let's be honest about one thing here, and that is that based on his typical posting history, the OP doesn't give a crap about Allende. He's just an Austrian basement troll.
 
Well aren't you just the little blame-a-thon? So far you've blamed the rich plutocracy, unions, reality TV, celebrities, and Hollywood. Do tell, who's next in causing the "decline" of this nation?

well the lions share of the blame goes to wallstreet of course, and the politicians who have historically and consistently rewarded them with lavish bailouts time and time again every time they screw things up.

unions are bad, but they are a far lesser evil. reality tv/celebrities/hollywood are a symptom of the declining education in usa and overall stupidity of the nation which devalues intelligence and praises morons (see popularity of shows such as jackass as oppossed to say ... history chanel). they are the reason wallstreet and the politicians get away with their crap.

other than that, i think i've doled out all my blame for today.

not sure why you put "decline" in quotes, because usa has been going downhill for a while now (unless you are in the upper class).
 
Regardless of that, it is interesting to learn of other things that happen on a date that most posters will associate with the terrorist attacks 11 years ago today.
 
well the lions share of the blame goes to wallstreet of course, and the politicians who have historically and consistently rewarded them with lavish bailouts time and time again every time they screw things up.

unions are bad, but they are a far lesser evil. reality tv/celebrities/hollywood are a symptom of the declining education in usa and overall stupidity of the nation which devalues intelligence and praises morons (see popularity of shows such as jackass as oppossed to say ... history chanel). they are the reason wallstreet and the politicians get away with their crap.

other than that, i think i've doled out all my blame for today.

not sure why you put "decline" in quotes, because usa has been going downhill for a while now (unless you are in the upper class).

Wrong thread for this, but there is no "decline". I'm not going to talk more cause then I'd just be purporting what I pointed out on page one.
 
Wrong thread for this, but there is no "decline". I'm not going to talk more cause then I'd just be purporting what I pointed out on page one.

of course you are, because the usa has a big impact on the world (and again by decline im just talking about the general population, the plutocracy will do just fine).
the usa 9/11 changed the course of human history forever. the other 9/11 not as much.
 
Chileans have not forgotten this. A lot of people there still harbour ill feelings towards America for what was done. I was there 4 years ago for 3 weeks and it was something that came up a couple times.

American foreign policy has such a bad track record of alienating friend & foe alike.. I don't mean to hyperbole, but the U.S. is lucky that it's so powerful or it would really not have that many friends.

Maybe because powerful nations/countries/polities in general have a bad record of alienating friend and foe alike.

Rich and important countries make friends.
 
to somehow assume the coup in chile is as obscure as a date from the early middle ages is ridiculous.
About as rediculous as assuming a thread posted on the day of personal and national tragedy for 300 million people that is called 'remember 9/11' is about anything other than the WTC. Even choosing the name, 'remember 9/11' is a deliberate attempt to offend.

American foreign policy has such a bad track record of alienating friend & foe alike.. I don't mean to hyperbole, but the U.S. is lucky that it's so powerful or it would really not have that many friends.
Which is exactly what Holy King wants to point out. It would have been far less trollish if he had posted this discussion on any other day but today.

How is commemorating a tragic but little known event in Chilean history trolling a nation? Does America have a monopoly on suffering?
Nope. We do have a monopoly on 9/11.

This is an American dominated website as well - Holy King has no other motive really than to rub our noses in the failings of our past and trying to humiliate us by doing it today, a day that Americans are much more familiar with than just about anything to do with Chile.

Possible alternate titles for this thread:

-U.S. culpability in the Chilean coup of '73 and discussion thereof
-Americans are scumbags and deserved what they got
Either of these would have been great. I'm not discounting Holy King's point (that America has done horrible things), rather his childish way of going about making it.

ok, maybe i shouldnt have mentioned the cia involvement, so you wouldnt have found a reason to believe this thread is all about you.
Or maybe you shouldn't have named the thread 'remember 9/11' and then posting it on September 11th.

better people would probably think to themselves: "oh, other people have completely different associations with the term 9/11 than me, cool, that gives me some perspective."

better people.
And the better people on this thread aren't digging up all of the atrocities that the Austrian people have committed over time either. You win?

unions are bad, but they are a far lesser evil. reality tv/celebrities/hollywood are a symptom of the declining education in usa and overall stupidity of the nation which devalues intelligence and praises morons (see popularity of shows such as jackass as oppossed to say ... history chanel). they are the reason wallstreet and the politicians get away with their crap.
Maybe you should pick a better channel to illustrate 'quality' TV.
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Someone tell me how this doesn't qualify as a troll thread?
 
Nope. We do have a monopoly on 9/11.
I'm failing to see why I should have to ignore other tragic events simply because militants happened to chose that day to launch an attack. If you want to let them change your world, be my guest.
 
of course you are, because the usa has a big impact on the world (and again by decline im just talking about the general population, the plutocracy will do just fine).
the usa 9/11 changed the course of human history forever. the other 9/11 not as much.

Well yeah, but what I was pointing out is that people who love to rag on the U.S. and make fun of it often spend a majority of their time discussing it.

Which I thought was just a funny observation. :)
 
I'm failing to see why I should have to ignore other tragic events simply because militants happened to chose that day to launch an attack. If you want to let them change your world, be my guest.

You don't have to ignore anything to.

Except, apparently, the fact that this thread wasn't intended to do anything other than troll Americans.
 
There was a great op-ed in the Nytimes about how the Bush Administration ignored the warnings that there was going to be an attack.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/11/opinion/the-bush-white-house-was-deaf-to-9-11-warnings.html

The direct warnings to Mr. Bush about the possibility of a Qaeda attack began in the spring of 2001. By May 1, the Central Intelligence Agency told the White House of a report that “a group presently in the United States” was planning a terrorist operation. Weeks later, on June 22, the daily brief reported that Qaeda strikes could be “imminent,” although intelligence suggested the time frame was flexible.

But some in the administration considered the warning to be just bluster. An intelligence official and a member of the Bush administration both told me in interviews that the neoconservative leaders who had recently assumed power at the Pentagon were warning the White House that the C.I.A. had been fooled; according to this theory, Bin Laden was merely pretending to be planning an attack to distract the administration from Saddam Hussein, whom the neoconservatives saw as a greater threat. Intelligence officials, these sources said, protested that the idea of Bin Laden, an Islamic fundamentalist, conspiring with Mr. Hussein, an Iraqi secularist, was ridiculous, but the neoconservatives’ suspicions were nevertheless carrying the day.
 
Back on track here, let's be honest about one thing here, and that is that based on his typical posting history, the OP doesn't give a crap about Allende. He's just an Austrian basement troll.

I wouldn't call him that, but there is definitely a feeling of insensitivity here, even though there really shouldn't be.

The OP could have been worded better, but I don't see why we can't discuss the OP on its merits.. I mean, on one hand you have the biggest terrorist attack on U.S. soil, and on the other all the injustices that the U.S. has perpetrated on other nations, some of which happened to fall on the same day of the year as 9/11. I think it's an interesting contrast and could lead to an interesting discussion.

So yeah, it's a bit insensitive to bring this up on 9/11, but I'm pretty sure that in Chile people would think that it's insensitive for this injustice not to be present at all in American discourse.
 
Another reason Americans shouldn't whine.

Mentions of America in this thread: 10

Mentions of Chile in this thread: 5

Is it a sign of some sort that in a thread commemorating a period of suffering in Chile, that America gets discussed more than the actual nation its about? That you'd guys rather discuss the intricacies of American foreign policy during the Cold War era (and thus spent an entire thread pointing fingers) rather than solemnly remembering a tragedy?

I've found this trend in a lot of threads actually...

It is a sign that you're worse than Chile in regards to international affairs, which is understandable when compared to your power, but not when compared to your ideological position.

About as rediculous as assuming a thread posted on the day of personal and national tragedy for 300 million people that is called 'remember 9/11' is about anything other than the WTC. Even choosing the name, 'remember 9/11' is a deliberate attempt to offend.

Or perhaps a deliberate attempt to get you out of your holes and realize that there's a world around you that you destroy every once in a while. You destroy. Which has consequences. Such as 9/11.

Nope. We do have a monopoly on 9/11.

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This is an American dominated website as well - Holy King has no other motive really than to rub our noses in the failings of our past and trying to humiliate us by doing it today, a day that Americans are much more familiar with than just about anything to do with Chile.

Chile experienced something much more gruesome. Why do you care so much more about your loss of bourgoise than their decline into darkness, supported by you?

Either of these would have been great. I'm not discounting Holy King's point (that America has done horrible things), rather his childish way of going about making it.

I actually thought holy king was quite calculated, possibly planning for this for a while. Children aren't generally able to do that. It's not at all childish.

Or maybe you shouldn't have named the thread 'remember 9/11' and then posting it on September 11th.

I think - and please do work with me here - that the whole point was to point out that atrocities in regards to America are either done by them towards others or are indirectly a result of American atrocities done towards others.
 
I think it's about America.

Chile is a bad thing, but you American people are our allies and friends. You should listen to our criticism. Right?

Right?

Seriously, if you're the bastion of freedom and individualism, act like it. Then we can manage Chile.

edit: shorter answer:

I think this thread is about hypocritic "good", not evil.
 
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