Roe vs Wade overturned

[EnglishEdward]

@ Gorbles

So what the plural of sheep is sheep.

And the plural of the datum I supplied would be data.

 

[Gorbles]

@ Gorbles

So what the plural of sheep is sheep.

And the plural of the datum I supplied would be data.

My parents' story will be (as in: is) different to yours. Their parents' too, just to cover the generation gap thing. You're the one positing your personal experience as some kind of statistical trend (that evidences discrimination). You'd be wrong, because your anecdote is not enough data to draw that conclusion.

You were the one "implying" about the NHS. Don't walk around in circles just because people called you on the nonsense. Or do. It's your life.

 

[IglooDame]

When I was younger the invariable female receptionists at UK doctor's practices would
often run away from the counter, and even hide, when I sought a doctor's appointment.

They took the view that any young man wanting to see a doctor was almost certainly
skiving and wasting the doctor's time seeking a sick note to get off attending work.
Whereas the ladies were openly welcomed and quickly found an appointment.

Fortunately for me things have improved as I have got older, and live elsewhere.

My point is I don't buy the argument that discrimination only works one way.

I never claimed discrimination only works one way - I'm sure there are some examples out there of anti-male discrimination somehow in healthcare, though if I'm honest yours sounds more like an individual presentation issue that you grew out of, and some receptionists telling you white lies about why they were avoiding you. But your response is more of a confirmation of my point, in a different respect - males seeming to knee-jerk deny that systemic discrimination against females is a problem (because females live longer, or hey I, a male, got discriminated against too once upon a time) is just another layer of the problem.

 

[Kyriakos]

EnglishEdward is just one person, living in a different country, communicating over the web in some forum. It really is tiresome to bring an us vs them attitude as if anyone here is responsible for anyone else's life.
Besides, surely this Roe vs Wade re-interpretation isn't about males vs females, pretty sure the overwhelming majority of posters here is in favor of abortion laws as they exist in most other 1rst or 2nd world countries.

 

[Zardnaar]

Only profession here I can think that being a make is discriminated against is teaching. Even then I'm not sure if it's discrimination as such but sod all males want to do it.

And it's worse from 30-40 years ago less and less males doing it.

 

[Zardnaar]

Dumb question for an USians. If Biden made some federal law assuming it passed the SC next Republican president can repeal it?

And/or use it as precedent for nationwide ban?

 

[Arwon]

Yes clearly US, UK, and global life expectancy showing women living 3-5 years longer than men means that men are the ones negatively discriminated against in healthcare, and it has nothing to do with testosterone's impact on male immune systems, or male tendencies to engage in more dangerous habits and behaviors, or lower likelihood for males to seek prompt treatment for medical issues.

(/sarcasm, in case it isn't adequately obvious)

I think it takes one conversation with someone who suffers from endometriosis to pretty well understand the sexism in medicine, even without thinking about things like clinical trial biases and the diagnostic method biases that result, or scepticism towards taking women's pain seriously.

 

[Zardnaar]

Teaching sucks, more so if it is teaching to teenagers - which can easily become hell

Yeah I think early childhood is preferred.

They've basically gutted the ability for the teachers to discipline the kids, men are rapists type thing, and union stupidity eg all teacher get paid the same based on length if service.

So shortages of STEM teachers, shortages in locations (no cost of living pay bonus) and who wants to teach high school.

 

[Arakhor]

Dumb question for an USians. If Biden made some federal law assuming it passed the SC next Republican president can repeal it?

And/or use it as precedent for nationwide ban?

The president can't issue a federal law. That's the job of Congress. He could issue an executive action, but those could be repealed as easily by the next incumbent.

 

[Samson]

Only profession here I can think that being a make is discriminated against is teaching. Even then I'm not sure if it's discrimination as such but sod all males want to do it.

And it's worse from 30-40 years ago less and less males doing it.

In the UK, and my knowledge is from decades ago, but while men where underrepresented in the industry generally, those that did join it generally were much more successful, such that a higher percentage of headmasters were men than the lower ranks. That does not seem like discrimination to me.

 

[Zardnaar]

The president can't issue a federal law. That's the job of Congress. He could issue an executive action, but those could be repealed as easily by the next incumbent.

Well if congress does it and president signs it next one can repeal it right?

Worse if they did pass some federal law protecting abortion another congress/president can do a federal ban?

 

[Zardnaar]

In the UK, and my knowledge is from decades ago, but while men where underrepresented in the industry generally, those that did join it generally were much more successful, such that a higher percentage of headmasters were men than the lower ranks. That does not seem like discrimination to me.

They had a sex scandal thing here and are trying to actively recruit males.

There's probably multiple reasons why they can't.

 

[Arakhor]

Well if congress does it and president signs it next one can repeal it right?

Worse if they did pass some federal law protecting abortion another congress/president can do a federal ban?

I suppose in theory they could, but given how partisan Congress has been for years, any meaningful legislation needs to be fought over almost endlessly.

 

[Zardnaar]

Pre-teen children tend to be quiet and have respect for the teacher, but teens do not, as a norm. Which becomes worse if the subject they are taught is viewed as more fun. Certainly my worst experience back when I was working as a seminar creator for municipal libraries had been with the 3d modelling program, with teens. Hated every second of it ^_^
And of course I can recall how it was in highschool. Teachers didn't have it easy, even if it was math or science.

I saw teachers get assaulted at my school, one got thrown in the pool.

Another had nervous breakdown. Well two of them had that. Once they got rid of the cane (86) they couldn't control the kids that well at high school. One teacher had his goldfish stapled to the blackboard, motorbikes ridden in corridors things like that.

Punched, threatened and car or house vandalized also happened.

 

[Kyriakos]

Well I am not in favor of hitting children, including (of course) teachers hitting them - I was a victim of that, in elementary school, and it certainly left a terrible impression.
That said, while some teachers are themselves creeps/harmful, many teens are simply targeting teachers for fun (ie there is no ethical dimension there).

 

[Zardnaar]

I suppose in theory they could, but given how partisan Congress has been for years, any meaningful legislation needs to be fought over almost endlessly.

Few months ago I was told that roe vs Wade was safe as SC changing their mind was almost unprecedented.

That person (American) couldn't believe unprecedented didn't mean they couldn't.

To me its don't tell me what's right or wrong tell me what's legal.

It's purely about power as well how you get it and what you do with it.

 

[EnglishEdward]

I never claimed discrimination only works one way I'm sure there are some examples out there of anti-male discrimination

Fair enough. I wasn't claiming that was your claim.

somehow in healthcare, though if I'm honest yours sounds more like an individual presentation issue that you grew out of,

I watched other men in the queue get the same treatment.

systemic discrimination against females is a problem

In the UK, there is systematic statistical evidence of discriminations against females with heart disease.

There is also evidence of statistical discrimination against men regarding breast cancer (rarer but once found, a higher percentage of men die of it).

However I understand that the first discrimination results in more deaths.

 

[Zardnaar]

Well I am not in favor of hitting children, including (of course) teachers hitting them - I was a victim of that, in elementary school, and it certainly left a terrible impression.
That said, while some teachers are themselves creeps/harmful, many teens are simply targeting teachers for fun (ie there is no ethical dimension there).

Yeah strap was an option when I was younger at school older brother and step brothers got caned.

Thought my school was unusual but probably more open about bad stuff. Dirty little secrets are popping up from other "fancy" schools.

 

[Kyriakos]

Yeah strap was an option when I was younger at school older brother and step brothers got caned.

Thought my school was unusual but probably more open about bad stuff. Dirty little secrets are popping up from other "fancy" schools.

It's just a bad profession to be in, unless you teach in the elementary.

 

[Zardnaar]

Fair enough. I wasn't claiming that was your claim.




I watched other men in the queue get the same treatment.




In the UK, there is systematic statistical evidence of discriminations against females with heart disease.

There is also evidence of statistical discrimination against men regarding breast cancer (rarer but once found, a higher percentage of men die of it).

However I understand that the first discrimination results in more deaths.

Might be because men don't really go to doctors as much meaning it's found later?

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It's just a bad profession to be in, unless you teach in the elementary.

Yeah they've piled a heap of paperwork onto it as well. Theoretically they get paid alright.