[RD] Russia Invades Ukraine: The 7th Thread Itch; scratch it here!

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So, Russians have the right to act like nazis in their social media posts?
Probably not, neither you should have such right.
UK: arrests racists (one extreme case of an over zealous prosecutor im sure hardly represents the majority of those cases).
Again, UK is not at war and has no reason to restrict freedom of speech to the extent Russia and Ukraine do.
Nevertheless, they arrest people for posts on social media far more often than alleged police state and dictatorship does.
 
Neither is UK, and still arresting people for posts in social media.
And?

It's still bad (assuming the situation is what you described, given that the video forces you to watch and you haven't actually linked to UK news on the topic).

You can't defend something bad, or suggest hypocrisy, by saying "look at these other countries". As you often say you're not your country, neither are we ours.

All folks want is a "yes what Russia is doing in imprisoning people for speech is bad". It's not hard.
 
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Probably not, neither you should have such right.

Again, UK is not at war and has no reason to restrict freedom of speech to the extent Russia and Ukraine do.
Nevertheless, they arrest people for posts on social media far more often than alleged police state and dictatorship does.

So, what's the number of 'arrested for social media posts' in Russia? In non-war time it was 400+ (2019). And that's not even getting into finer details of if these stats are 'detained', 'arrested', 'cases opened up against', 'questioned', all of which can have very different meanings, but media can treat them all the same.

What exactly was the nature of the posts (racism, trolling, harassment, death threats, 'wrong' political views, etc)?

You listed general incarceration rates earlier, to swipe the US. Based on that Europe far more free than russia. There are various laws in various countries that have nothing to do with a war. Sorry your country is almost always in a war with a neighbor it just seems natural to you.

There will always be trolls, some acting like Nazis. In Russia they put Nazis on state TV and are paid commentators in support of the war effort.
 
You know, you could just say "false equivalency, again", and spare yourselves the effort of trying to show why murder and jaywalking aren't the same to someone who is very aware of it and is just purposely trying to put all "criminal activity" at the same level to make you waste your time.
 
So, what's the number of 'arrested for social media posts' in Russia? In non-war time it was 400+ (2019). And that's not even getting into finer details of if these stats are 'detained', 'arrested', 'cases opened up against', 'questioned', all of which can have very different meanings, but media can treat them all the same.
I don't know how many. From what I heard, some of them were similarly stupid as arrest for posting song lyrics - like posting screenshots with swastika from WW2 documentaries.
You listed general incarceration rates earlier, to swipe the US. Based on that Europe far more free than russia. There are various laws in various countries that have nothing to do with a war. Sorry your country is almost always in a war with a neighbor it just seems natural to you.
Well, Russia doesn't pretend to be a beacon of free world, unlike US. Yes, we have problems with prison system too.
As for being always at war with a neighbor, for the entire period 1991-2022, Russia was at war with a neighbor for exactly 5 days in 2008.
No, it's not Russia who is permanently at war in last decades.
There will always be trolls, some acting like Nazis. In Russia they put Nazis on state TV and are paid commentators in support of the war effort.
No, Russian TV hosts are not any more "Nazis" than American or Ukrainian ones are.
 
In America people were allowed to protest the Iraq war during the iraq war
In Russia you're not allowed to hold a sign saying "No war"

In America journalists were writing about America's conduct in the Iraq war, including all the nasty stuff
In Russia you could get jailed for calling the war a war.

Russia, #163 out of 180 in the Free Press Index.

Since Russia invaded Ukraine in February 2022, almost all independent media have been banned, blocked and/or declared “foreign agents” or “undesirable organisations”. All others are subject to military censorship.

Media landscape​

All privately owned independent TV channels are banned from broadcasting, except for cable entertainment channels. Many western media such as Euronews, France 24 and the BBC are no longer accessible in the country. The media regulator, Roskomnadzor, has blocked access to most independent news sites including Meduza, the most widely read, and Novaya Gazeta, the most emblematic. Those that survive have belonged to allies of the Kremlin for a few years, or they are forced to strict self-censorship, because of banned subjects and terms. Radio stations are in the same situation.

Political context​

Since the start of the Covid-19 pandemic, President Vladimir Putin has seemed increasingly isolated from the outside world and even more so since the start of his war against Ukraine. Only a very restricted circle now has access to him, and the last collective decision-making institutions, such as the Security Council, are no longer really collaborative. Parliament has become a chamber for recording decisions made by the Kremlin. The official discourse, relayed by an omnipresent propaganda, is mainly based on accounts of Russia’s “historical grievances” and conspiracy theories.

Legal framework​

No journalist is safe from the threat of serious charges under vaguely worded draconian laws that were often adopted in haste. Many laws relating to freedom of expression that had been adopted in recent years – including defamation and “fake news” laws – were amended in order to incorporate them into the Penal Code at the start of the Covid-19 pandemic. The invasion of Ukraine gave a new impetus to this process, with parliament hastily adopting amendments under which “false information” about the Russian armed forces and any other Russian state body operating abroad is now punishable by up to 15 years in prison.

Economic context​

The radical sanctions imposed on Russia by Western democracies in response to the invasion of Ukraine have suddenly severed much of the Russian economy from Europe’s, with which it was closely integrated. This could lead to a very long and extremely deep crisis. Beyond censorship – which has forced many media outlets to close and has impoverished the few remaining independent journalists, forcing them to change professions or go abroad – Russia’s regional media is among the first victims of the economic crisis, which has forced businesses to reduce their advertising budget.

Sociocultural context​

Although the internet connection rate is very high, almost two-thirds of Russians get their news mainly from television, which is controlled by the government, and from Russian social media such as VKontakte. Subjects such as homosexuality and religious feelings have gradually become off limits for the media under Vladimir Putin, who has encouraged a certain conservatism in Russian society.

Safety​

In recent years, in addition to heavy sentences and even torture suffered by some journalists, mainly at the regional level, the frequent use of fines and short-term detentions under various pretexts have been added to the arsenal of systematic intimidation used against journalists. The media are also under threat of arbitrary inclusion on the list of “foreign agents”, a status that comes with heavy bureaucratic hurdles and legal risks, and the list of “undesirable organisations,” which criminalises any mention of – or cooperation with – the targeted media. Faced with additional risks incurred since the start of the war in Ukraine, many journalists working for independent media outlets have chosen exile. The authorities keep up the pressure on those who leave by “visiting” family members or by convicting them in absentia.


Detained as of today
23 journalists
2 media workers
 
you think that's a gotcha?
Yes, that's inconvenient fact you failed to mention.
Ignoring an entire post for that. Can't blame you. I wouldn't want to addres it either if I were you.
Your entire post was addressed multiple times already. The sources you keep referring to, such as AP "investigations", Western-based "ratings", etc. are as much trustworthy to me as TASS or Ria Novosti to you.
 
Yes, that's inconvenient fact you failed to mention.
In America you can get jailed for leaking classified information.
In Russia you could get jailed for calling the war a war

Your entire post was addressed multiple times already. The sources you keep referring to, such as AP "investigations", Western-based "ratings", etc. are as much trustworthy to me as TASS or Ria Novosti to you.
Yeah, Reporters Without Borders are famous western propaganda. Ukraine is #79 by the way.

The war launched by Russia on 24 February 2022 threatens the survival of the Ukrainian media. In this “information war”, Ukraine stands at the front line of resistance against the expansion of the Kremlin’s propaganda system.

Media landscape​

Ukraine's media landscape is diverse, but remains partly in the grip of oligarchs who own the majority of the national TV channels. The Russian invasion has had a big impact on the media, disrupting their work and even jeopardising their economic survival. In territories under Russian control – Crimea, annexed in 2014, Donbass and areas occupied by the Russian army in 2022 – the Ukrainian media are silenced and often replaced by Kremlin propaganda.

Political context​

The “information war” with Russia was already harming Ukraine’s media environment before the Russian invasion. Media regarded as pro-Kremlin were banned by presidential decree, and access to Russian social media was restricted. This has intensified since the start of Russia’s invasion. Media carrying Russian propaganda have been blocked, while the Russian army has deliberately targeted journalists, media and telecommunications infrastructure to prevent the Ukrainian population from having access to independent news and information.

Legal framework​

Since the 2014 Maidan revolution, several sets of media laws have been adopted regulating media transparency, access to information and the protection of journalists. The creation of the independent public broadcaster Suspilne in 2017 was the most emblematic of these reforms. A new media law that was adopted in late 2022 after years of preparation is designed to bring Ukraine in line with European media legislation. The application of martial law sometimes results in reporting restrictions for journalists.

Economic context​

The Russian invasion has weakened the Ukrainian economy and, as a result, media outlets have lost many subscribers and advertisers. Combined with other consequences of the war, such as material destruction, the disruption of supply chains and the forced exile of employees, this situation is threatening the survival of many Ukrainian media. Several hundred media outlets have had to close, while others have reduced their activity and placed their employees on temporary suspension without pay. Local media outlets are the most affected in the face of these challenges.

Sociocultural context​

The war has transformed journalists’ work and the stories they cover. The Russian attacks taking place throughout the country have turned them all into war reporters. The Ukrainian media nonetheless continue to cover social issues and to play an essential role in exposing the corruption of the country’s elite. However, gender inequality in the media remains a problem, especially when it comes to giving a voice to experts on certain subjects – a problem that has been exacerbated since the Russian invasion.

Safety​

Journalists are in greater physical danger than ever since the Russian invasion in late February 2022. They are often deliberately targeted by military fire despite displaying “Press” identification, and the number of reporters killed or injured has risen steadily. Before the war, they were sometimes the targets of physical violence, mainly during protests. Cyberattacks, breaches of the confidentiality of sources and restriction on access to information were also matters of concern.

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But, you're saying you have already addressed and debunked the freedom to protest in America and Russia?

Cool. Can you show me some anti-war protests in Russia?

 
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'It's like playing with death' - Ukraine's female front line soldiers​

Ukrainian women have been signing up in growing numbers to serve as combat troops against Russia. The BBC spoke to three of the 5,000 female front-line soldiers who are fighting both the enemy and sexist attitudes within their own ranks.

A slim, blue-eyed, brunette woman is working out in a gym. This might be unremarkable were it not for the fact that according to the Russian media - she is dead.
Andriana Arekhta is a special unit sergeant in the Ukrainian armed forces, preparing to return to the front line.
The BBC found Andriana in a rehabilitation centre in Ukraine - in a location we cannot name for her safety - after she was injured by a landmine in the Kherson region in December.
Numerous text and video reports in Russian celebrate her "death" in graphic detail.
"They published that I am without legs and without hands and that I was killed by them," says Andriana. "They are professionals in propaganda."

The reports include lurid descriptions of her such as "executioner", and an "eliminated Nazi".
Accusing her of cruelty and sadism without any proof, they appeared shortly after the Ukrainian army had liberated Kherson.
"It's funny to me. I am alive and I will protect my country," she says.
Eighteen months on from Russia's invasion, there are 60,000 women serving in the nation's armed forces. More than 42,000 are in military positions -including 5,000 female soldiers on the front line - the Ministry of Defence of Ukraine told us.
It added that no woman could be conscripted under Ukrainian law against her will.
But there are particular combat roles which some believe are better performed by women.

"I came to my commander and I asked him, 'What can I do the best?' He said, 'You will be a sniper,'" recalls Evgeniya Emerald - who carried out the role on the front line until recently.

She says female snipers have been romanticised since World War Two, adding there is a very practical reason for this reputation.
"If a man hesitates whether to make a shot or not, a woman will never.
"Maybe that's why women are the ones giving birth, not men," she adds - cradling her three-month old daughter as we speak.
The 31 year old, who had military training after Russia invaded Crimea but only joined the army in 2022, was the owner of a jewellery business before the full-scale war.
She has used her entrepreneurial experience to build a strong social media following to raise the profile of Ukrainian female soldiers.

Like Andriana, Evgeniya has been widely referred to as "a punisher" and "Nazi" by Russian media, with hundreds of reports discussing her front line role as a female sniper, and her private life.
Working as a sniper is particularly brutal - says Evgeniya - both physically and mentally.
"Because you can see what is going on. You can see hitting a target. This is a personal hell for everyone who sees that in a [sniper's] scope."
Evgeniya, and the other front line women we have spoken to, cannot reveal the number of targets they have hit. But Evgeniya remembers the heightened emotion she felt when she realised she was probably going to have to kill someone.
"For 30 seconds I was shaking - my whole body - and I couldn't stop it. That realisation that now you'll do something that will be a point of no return.
"But we didn't come to them with a war. They came to us."

The percentage of women in the Ukrainian military has been growing since the first Russian invasion in 2014, reaching over 15% in 2020.
But while many female troops are serving in combat roles against Russia, they say there is an extra battle within their own ranks against sexist attitudes.
Evgeniya says she faced this before she established her authority and confidence as a front-line sniper.
"When I had just joined the special forces, one of the fighters came to me and said, 'Girl what are you doing here? Go and cook borshch [Ukrainian traditional soup].' I felt so offended at that moment I thought, 'Are you kidding me? I can be in the kitchen, but I can also knock you out'."
Another Evgeniya, Evgeniya Velyka from the Arm Women Now charity - which provides help to the Ukrainian female soldiers, agrees: "In society exists a strong opinion that girls go to the army to find a husband."
She says women have also told her about cases of physical abuse.
"We can't imagine the scale of the problem because not every female soldier wants to talk about this," she says.
Ukraine's Deputy Defence Minister, Hanna Malyar, told the BBC those were just a "few cases" in contrast to "hundreds of thousands" mobilised.

Women in the Ukrainian army do not have gender-appropriate uniforms. They are issued with ill-fitting male fatigues, including male underwear, and outsized shoes and bulletproof vests.
Even the deputy defence minister, Hanna Malyar, says her field uniform is designed for a man - which she has had to alter as she has "a small height". She adds that the ceremonial uniform includes shoes with heels.
If women in the army want to wear female fatigues, they must currently either buy their own generic kit online, or rely on charities or crowdfunding.
This is why Andriana co-founded a charity called Veteranka [Ukrainian Women Veteran's Movement], which campaigns for equal rights for female military personnel, and for reforming Ukrainian army legislation to bring it in line with NATO's.
But Ms Malyar says the government has made progress. A uniform for women has been developed, tested and will enter mass production in the near future - although she could not specify when.
Sniper Evgenya Emerald says that despite such issues, "war doesn't have a gender".
"A war doesn't care whether you are a man or a woman. When a missile hits a house it doesn't care if there are women, men, children - everyone dies.
"And it's the same on the front line - if you can be effective and you're a woman, why wouldn't you defend your country, your people?"

In the eastern Donbas region, sniper Iryna is involved in the counter-offensive right now. We secure a brief connection with her during a moment of peace on the battlefield.
She could be held up as an example of the reforms so many combat women have been working hard for - she is acting-up as a female commander of an all-male unit.
"A sniper's image is romanticised… and is beautiful due to the movies. In reality, it's hard work."
She describes how snipers lay still on the ground for up to six hours to fire a shot, followed by a rapid change in position.
"It's like playing with death," she adds.
The thousands of women serving have left behind careers as well as their families.
Andriana had left her job as the UN Consultant on Gender Equality under the Ukrainian Ministry of Veterans' Affairs to join the Ukrainian military when Russia invaded last year.
"They took the best years of my life," the 35-year-old says. Thinking back to a time before the war, she adds: "I could travel and be happy, and build a career and have a dream."
The mother of a primary school-aged boy, Andriana tearfully tells me she has not held her son for over seven months. As she shows me pictures of him on her phone, a smile appears on her face, replacing her tears.
She is driven by the desire to secure him a peaceful future in his native country - not having to risk his life fighting like his parents.

Unlike Evgeniya Emerald, who joined up after Russia's full invasion last year, Andriana has previous military experience.
In 2014 when Russia first attacked Ukraine, annexing Crimea and invading Donbas, she left her job as a brand manager and joined one of the first volunteer battalions - along with thousands of other Ukrainians. At the time, the military was smaller than it is now and was struggling.
Aidar battalion, where Andriana was serving, was accused by the Kremlin and Amnesty International of human rights violations - but the Ukrainian army told the BBC that no substantive evidence to support such claims had been provided.
Amnesty also urged Ukrainian authorities to bring the volunteer battalions under effective lines of command and control, which they did.
Despite Andriana never being linked to any acts of misconduct, and her leaving Aidar eight years ago, Russian media continually accused her of "sadism", providing no evidence.
In Ukraine, she has been awarded medals for her service - one "for courage", another for being a "people's hero"
Andriana, who told the BBC she is no longer part of Aidar, said she felt obliged to re-join the army on the front line in 2022, as she already had much-needed combat experience.

While Ukraine's Ministry of Defence said it could not provide the number of combat casualties due to sensitivities of information during wartime, the BBC has obtained data suggesting 93 Ukrainian servicewomen have been killed in action since the Russian invasion.
The data, from charity Arm Women Now, says over 500 have been injured.
Andriana's phone book has turned into a list of the dead.
"I lost more than 100 friends. I don't even know how many phone numbers I need to delete."
But the price already paid was too high to give up, she said - as she turned to finish her rehabilitation training in the gym.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66254964
 
Cool. Can you show me some anti-war protests in Russia?
I said several times that freedom of speech is currently restricted in both Russia and Ukraine, and explained why.
But keep trying to move those goalposts. Diligence is the mother of success.
 
I said several times that freedom of speech is currently restricted in both Russia and Ukraine, and explained why.
But keep trying to move those goalposts. Diligence is the mother of success.
Which goalpost did I move? First 2 lines in my initial post:
In America people were allowed to protest the Iraq war during the iraq war
In Russia you're not allowed to hold a sign saying "No war"

A Russian drone strike has hit Ukrainian port facilities at Izmail on the River Danube, a short distance from Nato member state Romania.
A grain warehouse, a passenger building and an elevator for loading grain have all been damaged.
Russia began targeting Ukraine's ports after abandoning a UN deal that enabled both countries to export grain safely across the Black Sea.
A large fire raged from the port area of Izmail early on Wednesday.
Video, filmed from the Romanian side of the Danube roughly 3km (1.9 miles) away, showed the extent of the fire.
Romanian President Klaus Iohannis condemned Russia's continued attacks on Ukrainian infrastructure "in the proximity of Romania" as unacceptable.

Odesa regional leader Oleh Kiper said emergencies services were working on the site of the latest Russian attack, and there were no reports of any casualties.
President Volodymyr Zelensky said that "unfortunately there has been damage" - and the regional chief posted several images on social media indicating that several structures had been hit.


Following the Kremlin's refusal to renew the deal which allowed ships to transport grain across the Black Sea, Russia has started targeting Ukraine's key alternative export routes along the Danube River.
We've looked at what grain infrastructure has been targeted and what this latest escalation means for global trade.

What has been hit?​

Since it started in August 2022, almost 33 million tonnes of grain and other foodstuffs have been exported via the Black Sea grain deal.
But with Ukraine's Black Sea ports now effectively blockaded by Russia, experts say it will have to rely heavily on its ports along the Danube river to export grain into neighbouring Romania.
From there it can be transported further afield as Romania's ports remain open.
After repeatedly targeting export hubs on the Black Sea, Russia has now turned its missiles and drones on ports on the Danube.


One of Russia's recent attacks hit the port of Reni, with missiles falling about 200m from the border with Nato-member Romania across the Danube.
In the Black Sea, extensive damage to port infrastructure was seen in Chornomorsk, where at least two storage tanks appear to have been hit on the night of 19 July.
 
Russia's Supreme Court rules that Russians may commit crimes in Russia with impunity provided that that they also commit the crime of invading Ukraine.

Russian Supreme Court Exempts Soldiers Fighting in Ukraine from Criminal Prosecution


 
"You don't understand. This is different."
If it's the same, it's not much of a defense to insist you're merely repeating other's catastrophic mistakes.
 
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If it's the same, it's not much of a defense to insist you're merely repeating other's catastrophic mistakes.
He just thinks it unfair that the US sorta kinda got away with invading Iraq.

The problem is that unjust as the US invasions was, on concocted pretexts, had its origin in Iraq's invasion of Kwait.

So the problem here isn't that Russia is getting "unfair" pushback compared to the US invasion of Iraq, but that the closest analogy to the Russian invasion of Ukraine is Iraq's invasion of Kwait – and Russia is not getting hit by the fraction of the kind of robust military response Iraq got, and that is the real problem. (Because nukes, etc...)

Russian sense of entitlement does the rest.
 
Database of Russians killed in war: (or, perhaps more accurately only a list of obituaries and deaths announced in social media that the people running the website could find. I'm sure they can't find every possible social media post, and as the site says, many deaths are just simply not posted about in social media)


Attention! We understand that Russia's real losses are 10 times greater . This site contains only messages that are published in social networks. Information comes with a delay, because a lot of time can pass from the moment of death to publication. In addition, not all relatives and friends post obituaries online. Nevertheless, an approximate picture of losses can be imagined.

My guess is Wagner, specifically the recruited convicts, would be the most under counted (less likely to still have family who cared about them to post about their deaths online, family previously disowned them depending on what crimes they did, etc,).
 
Before or after Wagner recruitment?
If numbers are in fact current, then after...

Means Russia is still in the top 25 (US is way worse we know) in relative rate of incarceration. In absolute numbers otoh Russia is nr 5 in the world (after the US, China, Brazil and India) with a prison population in the 450k range.
 
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