[RD] Russia invades Ukraine V: The Turning Tide

[Birdjaguar]

Russian aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

So carrier yes, working no.

Built in the now-Ukrainian Nikolayev yard, worth noting.

And...

As of July 2022, Admiral Kuznetsov is out of service for a refit in Murmansk. In November 2018, it was damaged by a falling 70-ton crane from the floating dry dock PD-50 and a fire that killed two during the refit. The dry dock, which sank due to a power outage while holding Admiral Kuznetsov,[10] was vital to repairing the carrier,[11] which changed its estimated return to service to 2022 or later.[12] In 2021, the Vice President of the United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC), Vladimir Korolev, told the TASS news agency that the vessel was expected to begin post-repair sea trials in mid-2023 and rejoin the fleet later that year,[13] although this may have been pushed back a year or more due to delays.[14] In May 2022 it was reported that repairs to the vessel were scheduled for completion in Murmansk in September 2022[15] but after flaws were found in the work, the date for the return to service was pushed back to at least 2024.[16]

Likely, its career is over and may have to be sold to China like its sister ship.

 

[r16]

and kinda enough with the Western superiority in carriers . Is Kuznetzov necessary to sink merchantmen in the Atlantic and if it can't that wins the war ?

 

[Zardnaar]

Kunetsoz can barely float or propel itself it's a complete joke.

Very few countries can build carriers only three can really use them properly (training, maintenance, doctrine, training, equipment, plane designs etc)

 

[Kupe Navigator]

To win in the war enemy's hinterland has to be destroyed. Western Ukraine is the crucial hub for receiving armor and supplies from NATO and sending it to the Eastern front. It is of urgent military importance to make this flow stop, and it means destruction of the grid, bridges, junctions and so on - especially in the Western Ukraine.

Yeah but Russia is lossing. So your point is moot.

 

[Birdjaguar]

and kinda enough with the Western superiority in carriers . Is Kuznetzov necessary to sink merchantmen in the Atlantic and if it can't that wins the war ?

It is part of a story:

• Invading Ukraine
• Retreat from Kyiv
• Flagship of the fleet sunk
• Retreat from Kharkiv
• 1.5 million missing winter uniforms
• Recruiting criminals to serve in the army
• Retreat from Kherson
• Missiles landing in Poland

 

[Kalina]

For now, it's still possible those were Ukrainian anti-aircraft missles. It would be quite umm... inconvenient.

 

[bernie14]

Yeah but Russia is lossing. So your point is moot.

Not sure the average russian believes this "western propaganda"

 

[Zardnaar]

For now, it's still possible those were Ukrainian anti-aircraft missles. It would be quite umm... inconvenient.

That's true it's basically that of fired from Belarus. Either way Russia will claim "not me".

No sure the average russian believes this "western propaganda"

The clue is usually who is retreating.

 

[Snorrius]

Yeah but Russia is lossing. So your point is moot.

It is called "negative thinking".

 

[Kupe Navigator]

Not sure the average russian believes this "western propaganda"

Oh well... stupid is as stupid dose

It is called "negative thinking".

Again Russia is losing. Why do they have to make all that mess?

 

[Gedemon]

Those were complaints about lack of proper equipment and sending to battle with small arms against artillery and tanks.

It comes down to the sources again, I have no problem to find videos with well equipped and motivated Russians.
Last time when we had discussion about drones and I posted videos with Lancet usage, I got the impression no one here was even aware Russia has and actively uses its own produced loitering munition.
When you are getting the information from one side only, you always get distorted picture.

I've seen them before on Combat Footage (the lancet drone), yes. Or a few Ka-52 using actual guided missiles instead of lobbing rockets. I've not seen a lot, but videos quantity don't win war, else Ukraine would have captured Moscow long ago. The evolution of the frontline on the map is more factual.

I prefer to restrict myself in watching too many war videos and especially those which could violate forum rules.

Same, I usually manage to avoid graphics videos, and for some the descriptions and reactions are enough to tell me they'd be removed immediately if posted on the site. And I know there would be a strong public opinion reaction if such videos involving French soldiers were posted on social media in France.

 

[Gorbles]

Now, I do not share "war crimes" narrative because it implies Russia deliberately targets civilians.

Wow, really? I wonder why?!

****.

This is a rare time where you and I had the exact same reaction.

 

[Snorrius]

Again Russia is losing. Why do they have to make all that mess?

What is a point to lose without a good fight and without damaging opponents as much as possible? It is common sense.

Wow, really? I wonder why?!

Because you did not read my rationale in the next sentence .

 

[r16]

kuznetzov is part of the narrative that Russians are stupid idiots and can not do anything right . Which justifies all the escalations because Russians can't . Do not blame me if things get out of hand or something and you people end up crying . Some retired general said Ukraine is going to win an old fashioned victory ; this should be enough . More than enough . Spare Kuznetzov for the days when Russians can troll you back . On how some guy wanted to be a Seal , no doubt to kill some sandn.... , failed and had to remain an ordinary sailor and he tried to warn his superiors and he was ignored , like even got a demerit or something for foul language and he alone almost saved Bon Homme Richard and yeah , it was visible from space or something and the US Navy almost send him to the chair . They would if they could .

 

[Kupe Navigator]

What is a point to lose without a good fight and without damaging opponents as much as possible? It is common sense.

Because that is same mindset as Japan during end of WWII? Unlike Japan I doubt US is willing to help Russia anytime soon.

 

[r16]

remember the first days of the war with the uproar that Russians were targeting apartments with missiles and it was on camera ? The way there was no respect or anything that it was a SAM that missed ? Plunging down with the engine still smoking ? Yes , the West badly wants to intervene . Even if gotta say am impressed by the way the Poles are trying to appear responsible ...

 

[red_elk]

For now, it's still possible those were Ukrainian anti-aircraft missles. It would be quite umm... inconvenient.

Don't worry, in this case the investigation will conclude "nothing to see here, just some explosions".
Like it was with the pipeline.

 

[Krajzen]

kuznetzov is part of the narrative that Russians are stupid idiots and can not do anything right . Which justifies all the escalations because Russians can't . Do not blame me if things get out of hand or something and you people end up crying . Some retired general said Ukraine is going to win an old fashioned victory ; this should be enough . More than enough . Spare Kuznetzov for the days when Russians can troll you back . On how some guy wanted to be a Seal , no doubt to kill some sandn.... , failed and had to remain an ordinary sailor and he tried to warn his superiors and he was ignored , like even got a demerit or something for foul language and he alone almost saved Bon Homme Richard and yeah , it was visible from space or something and the US Navy almost send him to the chair . They would if they could .

Has somebody already told you that your posts are honestly written in the completely unreadable form impossible to follow and decipher, or am I the first to touch on this awkward subject?

Moderator Action: No, you are not the first to comment of the style of r16's posts. Many posters have their own unique ways of communicating which are often rooted in when and how they learned English. Just do your best and ask questions if necessary. Birdjaguar

 

[Farm Boy]

Anti-aircraft missiles would "still be Russia's fault" and would be harder to interpret as a direct Russian attack on NATO soil.

 

[Sarin]

For now, it's still possible those were Ukrainian anti-aircraft missles. It would be quite umm... inconvenient.

Russia claimed so, but the images they showed were from 2020. And even if it is proven to be S-300 as they claimed, it means nothing as they've used those against ground targets before.

Another theory I've heard is that the target were nearby power lines connecting Ukraine to Polish electrical grid. That would make it deliberate attack on Polish energy infrastructure...and clear case for Article 5.