I didn't know that. That's pretty interesting though not surprising. There are interesting similarities between Finns and (some) Natives that are occasionally discussed here - especially Ojibwe.
Haha, I suppose Zulus might also be represented (even if I know them only through civ).How dare you leave the Zulus out.
Not super surprising that we don't since they're not t e c h n i c a l l y in the base game.
Nothing obvious that I've seen. The most distinctive building in the Shawnee screenshot is probably the Palace. The red-roofed circular building doesn't look large enough to be a Wonder.
I also grew up in the US, but the Shawnee aren't as well known as the Cherokee (who are probably the most well-known tribe), Sioux, or Comanche.
What did he do?
There would also probably be the Zulu, Carthage, and my personal favorite, the Boers.
He tried to establish a Pan-Indian movement. He was a brilliant general, but unfortunately he became a fixation of Manifest Destiny-minded historians who held him up as proof that even a "latter day Alexander the Great" couldn't stop American expansion. He was the only Native American mentioned by Frederick Jackson Turner, whose Frontier Thesis was foundational for American historiography until the mid twentieth century. (Unfortunately his memory as a warrior glosses over that he was, fundamentally, a man of peace who worked hard to avoid war, and I'm glad Civ7 seems to be portraying him as such.)
And this is why I don’t understand why they’re not a modern era civ. especially since Buganda’s peak was around the same time and they’re a modern civ.
I'd swap Hatshepsut and Amina and put Ben Franklin after Augustus, but otherwise I concur.
ah yeah I forgot about Ben Franklin and Confucius.
And I forgot about Confucius. I'd put him in the middle. Ben...looks really bad. I'm shocked he's the one they have showcasing leaders on the Steam page.
This isn’t fully on-topic, so I’ll stop talking about it in this thread, at least, but Confucius…really doesn’t look like the depictions of him I’m used to. I thought it was Lao Tzu initially lol
I've seen speculation that it's so you can have progression from Shawnee to Haudenosaunee, but I haven't seen that confirmed anywhere.
I would say the Haudenosaunee more accurately peaked in the late part of what civ seems to be defining as the exploration age, while the shawnee peaked in the early part of the modern age. I def associate the Haudenosaunee more with the 7 years war and the Shawnee more with the war of 1812, so in my opinion, the Haudenosaunee to Shawnee progression makes more sense than the other way around—I think they should largely be seen as contemporaries though.
From what we've seen, the boundaries are nebulous, but they've said the boundary between Exploration and Modern is the mid Industrial Era, which is late 19th century in the US. The Sioux are the only Indigenous civ I could see really peaking in the Modern. But yes, in many ways the Shawnee and Haudenosaunee are contemporary. The Shawnee emerged from the Fort Ancient culture around the same time as the Five Nations were founded, and Joseph Brant was Tecumseh's mentor.
Then I guess my confusion should be more aimed at Buganda, and why they’re a Modern civ, unless Firaxis thinks their peak was when they were colonized by the UK….
It seems like both ends of the Exploration Age are deliberately murky. They've said both Antiquity and Exploration overlap the Medieval so I'd expect Exploration is meant to be 1000-1850, give or take a couple centuries on the low end and a few decades on the high end.
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