The Nazis were considered "left wing" by the people of that time

[useless]

The nazis were socialists in the same way the british national party represented all of britain

which is to say not at all

 

[Borachio]

Evidently, you're unaware what a socialist is if you think they would have to "nationalize everything" in order to be socialist. Perhaps you could do some research of you own then you might have a point to bring to the table and we could debate it.

(He suggested, "innocently.")

'Twasn't I who suggested that people who didn't want to nationalize couldn't be socialist.

'Twas thee.

'Twas also thee who suggested that the Nazis were socialist.

(I leave joining the dots as an exercise for the reader.)

I suggest you read what you write. (Though I never do so myself. I'm not completely mad. Not yet. Or am I?)

 

[civman110]

All their policies were far right.

Except for most of the stuff in their manifesto and socialized medicine and education right, etc.?

 

[useless]

Britain has socialised medicine and education, i still wouldn't call it a socialist country.

 

[civman110]

Britain has socialised medicine and education, i still wouldn't call it a socialist country.

Are you gong to do some research of your own or just continue to build strawman comparisons because it's a intellectually lazy way to argue.

 

[Borachio]

So where's a link to a German newspaper at the time describing the Nazis as left-wing, please?

There's little point in demanding others "do some research" (ad nauseam) without a single link to a contemporary newspaper supporting your own position.

It's not only intellectually lazy, it's frankly off-putting. Which maybe what you seek. I dunno.

 

[Cutlass]

Except for most of the stuff in their manifesto and socialized medicine and education right, etc.?

You're the one who said to look at what they did instead of what they said. Why don't you give your own advice a try?

 

[uppi]

Are you gong to do some research of your own or just continue to build strawman comparisons because it's a intellectually lazy way to argue.

What is the point if you just ignore the evidence I provided?

 

[Leoreth]

Are you gong to do some research of your own or just continue to build strawman comparisons because it's a intellectually lazy way to argue.

You mean like making a claim about what people thought which political camp the Nazis were in, but then never present any evidence what people thought and instead only talk about a manifesto and what you think which political camp that implies?

 

[Angst]

Then they aren't socialists.

Come on man, I was really trying to be paedagogic. Don't be dense.

I'm going to try again:

Do you understand the very fundamental difference between nationalization and collectivization?

Do you understand how broad a palette of political ideals that fall under the monicker socialism?

Do you understand the difference between socialized services (not just socialized medicine) and socialism? Is USA a socialist country when your police services and fire dept. are socialized?

You're basically failing at high school level political science when you can't trace what conservatism as an ideology meant during European monarchy, which is very relevant in Nazi Germany. Also your grasp of ideology in general is shoddy.

And what I tried to expand upon - stuff that you're supposed to learn during very early college political science, at least nuances you're supposed to be able to understand - you do not even tackle that. You're making yourself look really really stupid. I'm sure you aren't. Show me you're not.

 

[hoplitejoe]

.....

All I understand is the free market!

 

[El_Machinae]

I think one problem people are having is the discrepancy between the thread title and OP content.

From many perspectives, we can see that we'd call Nazis left-wing. But people in that time would need to be cited in order to show us what they considered the Nazis to be.

 

[innonimatu]

From many perspectives, we can see that we'd call Nazis left-wing.

Not you, also falling for that!

There is no informed perspective that allows for calling the nazis left-wing. Just to make a quick argument, nationalism and racism were inseparable from everything else they did - and there is no way that can fit with "left-wing".

 

[hoplitejoe]

The fact they hated communists, and vice versa is a bit of a give away as well.

 

[Birdjaguar]

I think Civman is ignoring Uppi's post.

 

[civman110]

Well, lets have a look at newspapers:
this one for example


If I may translate the last complete sentence on that page which talks about the new Hitler government:


There you have it: People of that time called Hitler and his party right-wing. Go ahead and try to find even one contemporary newspaper that calls the Nazis left-wing. Or maybe just concede that you have no clue about the political situation in Germany at that time.

In German:

The new government is [...] a minority government of the two right-wing parties.

is

Die neue Regierung ist [...] eine Minderheitsregierung der beiden rechten parteien.

That is not what the paper says.


"Rechten parteien" is "right wing party" in German and that is nowhere in those last few lines of the paper.

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“We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are determined to destroy this system under all conditions”

– Adolf Hitler, Hitler’s speech on May 1, 1927. Cited in: Toland, John (1992). Adolf Hitler. Anchor Books. pp. 224–225. ISBN 0385037244.

 

[sophie]

The last sentence is:

"Die neue Regierung ist, sowie sie zusammengelegt ist, eine Minderheitsregierung der beiden rechtsgerichteten Parteien"

Which translates to:

"The new government is, as it is arranged, a minority government (composed) of both right-leaning parties."

I don't really understand what you're quibbling about here.

 

[Tee Kay]

Edit: never mind

 

[civman110]

The last sentence is:

"Die neue Regierung ist, sowie sie zusammengelegt ist, eine Minderheitsregierung der beiden rechtsgerichteten Parteien"

Which translates to:

"The new government is, as it is arranged, a minority government (composed) of both right-leaning parties."

Funny, because your quote isn't in the paper. I'm looking at it right now.

 

[Tee Kay]

Last sentence under the "Kuehle Ruhe" headline