Trump's Rump

[Farm Boy]

I would say that's been sort of normative political discourse. Especially if you're getting it from social media? And sort of normative for the year. A lot of people who can tell a metaphor, and a few who can't or are happy to hide behind it.

You know he's a piece of crap. I know he's a piece of crap. They still need more, like deliberate inaction, which is of course there, but no overproof with him twirling his orange brainslug with a villian monologue. And even then I still don't think this is getting a conviction.

 

[mitsho]

They don't need more proof though, they just need to be convinced that he's not fit for office anymore. That's all this is about.

But in the end, this is a law of the commons problem. The Republican Senators may want Trump off the board for the he future, but voting for convicting him is only worth it, if the other Republican Senators do it two and thus they're not singled out. And since they can't get enough Republican Senators on board behind closed doors, it ain't happening.

Sad, but this has nothing to do with the democratic ideals.

 

[AmazonQueen]

Jaime Herrara-Beutler's testimony about the phone call between Trump and McCarthy seemed pretty damning especially as she is a Republican.
Don't think there is any evidence that would convince the bulk of Republican senators to take action.

 

[IglooDame]

Here are seven Senators whose re-election campaigns I might actually donate to next time they're up:
Burr (NC)
Cassidy (LA)
Collins (ME)
Murkowski (AK)
Romney (UT)
Sasse (NE)
Toomey (PA)

 

[Zardnaar]

Here are seven Senators whose re-election campaigns I might actually donate to next time they're up:
Burr (NC)
Cassidy (LA)
Collins (ME)
Murkowski (AK)
Romney (UT)
Sasse (NE)
Toomey (PA)

4 obvious ones.

More votes in senate needed as it only takes one senator to say no to sink Democrats plans and a few in red and purple states are needed.

 

[Sommerswerd]

Burr is surprising, especially since he is the first vote, being early in the alphabet. He's got some brass balls for sure considering there obviously wasn't any agreement to convict among Republicans.

 

[Velegon]

Here are seven Senators whose re-election campaigns I might actually donate to next time they're up:
Burr (NC) - retiring in 2022
Cassidy (LA) - just got reelected until 2026
Collins (ME) - just got reelected until 2026
Murkowski (AK) - filed for reelection in 2022
Romney (UT) - not facing reelection until 2024
Sasse (NE) - just got reelected until 2026
Toomey (PA) - retiring in 2022

Murkowski is the only one facing the voters in the next election cycle in 2022 - and Republicans probably remember that they primaried her once before and then lost to her anyway. So didn't work out too well for them - in a sense. For the rest - they are either retiring or aren't up for reelection for 4 to 6 years which is a very long time away - nearly an eternity when it comes to politics.

 

[Farm Boy]

There is a logic to lifetime appointments. But they do slow the turn.

 

[Birdjaguar]

There is a logic to lifetime appointments. But they do slow the turn.

Scotus is a lagging indicator because of lifetime appointments. A 25 year term would improve it. Or a retirement age coupled with a minimum age; say minimum of 45 and an automatic retirement at 75.

 

[Farm Boy]

Eh, a bunch of "bought" judges I just had to listen to the hysterics of them having been bought for 4 years turned out not to be. Everything is give and take. Now if they had been immune from punishment liberal interpreters of the law, we may have been well and truly *****ed, them having been "bought" with a shorter term. Principles, the dirty things.

 

[EnglishEdward]

It seems that the Republican senate has lived down to our expectations.

I am quite dissappointed.

They have missed a clear opportunity to draw a line re Donald Trump.

I doubt that the GoP will win many mid-term elections by carrying Trump's rump into the GoP rump.

They have walked away from the middle stream swing voters.

 

[Zardnaar]

It seems that the Republican senate has lived down to our expectations.

I am quite dissappointed.

They have missed a clear opportunity to draw a line re Donald Trump.

I doubt that the GoP will win many mid-term elections by carrying Trump's rump into the GoP rump.

They have walked away from the middle stream swing voters.

More or less how I see it. Voters have short memories but demograohs changing.

Go to hard right (or left) you lose the middle.

 

[Angst]

Link

OK can someone explain to me why and how McConnell can stand and say that after aquitting Trump?

I mean, I know why and how. There can be a difference between legal responsibility and practical responsibility. Mitch's a crook and it's possible. But WHY? HOW?

How are voters watching this and thinking it's a good thing?

 

[Zardnaar]

Link

OK can someone explain to me why and how McConnell can stand and say that after aquitting Trump?

I mean, I know why and how. There can be a difference between legal responsibility and practical responsibility. Mitch's a crook and it's possible. But WHY? HOW?

How are voters watching this and thinking it's a good thing?

He's playing both sides.

He arguing what Trump did was wrong but it's BS to impeach him after he left office.

He doesn't want to alienate Trump's base but wants to throw a bone to potential future GoP voters.

 

[Samson]

Link

OK can someone explain to me why and how McConnell can stand and say that after aquitting Trump?

I mean, I know why and how. There can be a difference between legal responsibility and practical responsibility. Mitch's a crook and it's possible. But WHY? HOW?

How are voters watching this and thinking it's a good thing?

I just hope this can be played back in future election campaigns, but I suspect everyone will forget about it and spend the time talking about how nice Ivanka's dress is or whatever.

It did not take long for the recriminations to start:

OFFICIAL: The LAGOP Executive Committee Unanimously Votes to Censure Senator Bill Cassidy

Spoiler Who makes announcements with images not text? :

NCGOP Chairman Michael Whatley’s Statement On Senator Burr’s Contradictory Impeachment Vote

February 13, 2021 The Chairman of the North Carolina Republican Party Michael Whatley released the following statement following Senator Burr’s contradictory impeachment vote.
"North Carolina Republicans sent Senator Burr to the United States Senate to uphold the Constitution and his vote today to convict in a trial that he declared unconstitutional is shocking and disappointing."​

 

[Sommerswerd]

Burr doesn't gaf since he's not running for re-election.

 

[Kyriakos]

Remind me what this charade happened for again.

 

[onejayhawk]

Here are seven Senators whose re-election campaigns I might actually donate to next time they're up:
Burr (NC) - retiring in 2022
Cassidy (LA) - just got reelected until 2026
Collins (ME) - just got reelected until 2026
Murkowski (AK) - filed for reelection in 2022
Romney (UT) - not facing reelection until 2024
Sasse (NE) - just got reelected until 2026
Toomey (PA) - retiring in 2022

Murkowski is the only one facing the voters in the next election cycle in 2022 - and Republicans probably remember that they primaried her once before and then lost to her anyway. So didn't work out too well for them - in a sense. For the rest - they are either retiring or aren't up for reelection for 4 to 6 years which is a very long time away - nearly an eternity when it comes to politics.

Checking who was up for reelection in 2022 was my first thought as well. Republicans in Washington deeply dislike Trump. Even though he did very good work for their agenda, he was a jerk about it.

I suspect Murkowski thinks along the same lines you do. It may not go as well this time. Any suggestion of voting irregularities is harshly treated and the resentment is severe. Democrats have made Trump Republicans a persecuted minority.

Remind me what this charade happened for again.

They are scared Trump can come back, literally that scared. The media cult thinks Trump is like Rasputin.

 

[Kaitzilla]

Remind me what this charade happened for again.

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If Trump's approval ratings dipped, he would have certainly been impeached.

Congress got a taste of the rioting that affected the rest of the country, and now they have to go through metal detectors like the rest of us.

They are super pissed, but couldn't muster up the guts to go against their voters.

If the senate can gather up 60 votes, they might be able to censure Trump and ban him from holding federal office I think?
Not sure.

 

[Sommerswerd]

Remind me what this charade happened for again.

For fun of course. What, you didn't enjoy the show? Its like this 24-7 here... still sure you want to join the party?