Trump's statements and promises

[red_elk]

Brainwashed people hide behind "let's wait for all the evidence" whenever they can conveniently do so, so as to try to appear fair-minded and neutral.

Yeah, sure. While open-minded people don't need evidence and jump straight into conclusion

 

[Thorgalaeg]

Judges should be more open-minded and send everybody to the chair.

 

[metalhead]

Yeah, sure. While open-minded people don't need evidence and jump straight into conclusion

When there is only one reasonably likely cause for something, reasonable people will conclude that is the cause. Brainwashed people will forever complain that "there isn't enough evidence."

I can't provide direct evidence that gravity keeps me moored to the Earth, but it's likely enough to be the cause that I'm not going to claim I need to see evidence before believing it.

 

[red_elk]

When there is only one reasonably likely cause for something, reasonable people will conclude that is the cause.

And when there are more than one reasonably likely causes for something, they don't make hasty conclusions.
Or wait... that's what brainwashed do, right?

 

[Traitorfish]

And when there are more than one reasonably likely causes for something, they don't make hasty conclusions.
Or wait... that's what brainwashed do, right?

Some people would contend that there's more than one reasonably likely cause for the Holocaust, or the moon landing, or the movement of the sun across the sky, and at no point doubt their own reasonableness and open-mindedness. The question is not how a reasonable person might behave, but how a reasonable person would behave in this instance.

 

[red_elk]

Some people would contend that there's more than one reasonably likely cause for the Holocaust, or the moon landing, or the movement of the sun across the sky, and at no point doubt their own reasonableness and open-mindedness. The question is not how a reasonable person might behave, but how a reasonable person would behave in this instance.

Just for the record, it's not me who is dividing people here on reasonable and brainwashed. I try to respect other people's opinion even if I disagree with it, and I would like to be treated the same way.
And while you are right about conspiracy theories (although conspiracy theorists usually have no doubts, but their own explanation which they 100% confident about), I believe my position doesn't fall into the same category.
I'm not taking at face value information from US officials and from obscure "human rights" group which is known for faking evidences before.

 

[metalhead]

But those aren't the only groups making the claims you're refusing to believe.

 

[Traitorfish]

I'm not taking at face value information from US officials and from obscure "human rights" group which is known for faking evidences before.

But you'll take it from a fascist dictator?

 

[red_elk]

But you'll take it from a fascist dictator?

If you mean Assad, I'm not taking his words at face value either.
And I don't think he is a fascist dictator - rather ordinary Arabian state ruler, quite moderate by Middle Eastern standards.

 

[Traitorfish]

If you mean Assad, I'm not taking his words at face value either.
And I don't think he is a fascist dictator - rather ordinary Arabian state ruler, quite moderate by Middle Eastern standards.

Well, that arguably depends on whether he's started gassing people.

 

[Colon]

And when there are more than one reasonably likely causes for something, they don't make hasty conclusions.
Or wait... that's what brainwashed do, right?

By your standards of reasonableness why ought to reserve judgement for Hitler's responsibility for the holocaust as well.

 

[red_elk]

See above. I'm not setting standards of reasonableness here. I don't trust beaker-shakers and no-fly-zone imposers.

 

[metalhead]

And as I've pointed out to you several times, U.S. officials are not the only people making the claim. You're not portraying this accurately at all.

 

[red_elk]

Who else is making that claim?
The area is still in control of Al-Qaeda linked rebels. I haven't heard they allowed any investigation.

 

[metalhead]

Turkey, for one.

And as far as I can tell, nobody has come up with a plausible explanation for how anyone other than the Assad regime would have the capability to weaponize sarin gas.

 

[red_elk]

Turkey in your article only says sarin was used.
And in order to use it, it is not necessary to have production capabilities. There are indications that rebels already used sarin before, against government troops.

 

[metalhead]

Turkey in your article only says sarin was used.

From the article:

Turkey’s deputy prime minister, Tugrul Turkes, told the state-run Anadolu Agency on Thursday that the Russian explanation was “unfulfilling.”

“If the Syrian regime knew that there were chemical weapons in the warehouse, it should have also known that it should not have attacked it,” he said.

He added that he believed the attack “was the work of the regime and that it was an attack against civilians.”​

 

[red_elk]

Umm, okay.
Turkish deputy prime minister believes the attack was the work of regime.
He probably believes in Allah too

 

[Traitorfish]

Would it be easier if you told us which sources you accept as credible?

 

[red_elk]

Investigation results of UN-approved commission, for one.