Utimately Karl Marx believed...

[Hygro]

Just a poll. The answer has been written here a few times recently, and of course we can debate this since perhaps you think my poll doesn't include the REAL answer

Thread has to be about Karl Marx for at least one 40-a-post page before we can let it slip into a quotewar about abortion.

 

[onedreamer]

the REAL answer only Karl Marx knew, my young padawan.
I think you will read about what people ultimately believe were his thoughts. So you might have wanted to choose the proper title
OK, I know... and sorry for the intrusion.

 

[Hygro]

Well that's what makes it a discussion thread

 

[Tani Coyote]

I support techno-socialism and assume this to be the true fruition of capitalism destroying itself; greed will abolish the proletariat and the unemployed will in turn abolish the owning class.

You see, workers' democracy doesn't abolish classes since it still divides labor, it just now does it democratically. Technology will abolish all class entirely since nobody will have to work.

We will all be truly equal, more or less; machines will produce all and then it will be distributed.

Though it does indeed seem scary that machines would have to distribute it in order for there to be no class.

 

[Monsterzuma]

Robots would take charge of all our labor leaving humans with nothing but dirtnapping time.

 

[Tani Coyote]

There'd probably have to be some sort of leisure credit or something to keep people from spamming up Disneyland and whatnot.

Once the needs are divvied up(easy enough), you must now divide the wants. Not as easy.

 

[Ajidica]

I have to point out that 'having robots do all the work' isn't actualy communism. Communism deals with labor and the results of it. 'Techno-Communism' is sort of the odd-one-out as it ignores the principles of Communism and Utopian Socialism.

 

[Tani Coyote]

Precisely. Communism deals with labor.

Techno-communism abolishes labor entirely. Sounds like a true end to class.

I call it techno-communism simply because it has similarities in the majority of laborers abolishing the owning class. The egalitarian principles are obviously also there.

 

[civ_king]

Communism is a eutopia

 

[aelf]

Well, there's intentional fallacy and all that...

But the first option seems the most clear from his writings.

 

[GhostWriter16]

Fifth option FTW.

 

[Luckymoose]

Pretty sure he believed USA was #2 and that is why his system failed.

 

[schlaufuchs]

Props for not reading the title all the way and thinking this thread was about Groucho?

Go me!

 

[Brian Shanahan]

I thought he had a death-bed conversion to Anglicanism, inspired by Lady Hope?

 

[Omega124]

Fifth option FTW.

But lets not turn this into a debate on which economic belief is better.

 

[CELTICEMPIRE]

well Marx was Racist, anti-semitic, and pro-slavery, and used the n word to describe his opponents

 

[Arakhor]

First, you can provide links for each of those claims. Second, how does that change what he wrote about?

 

[Brian Shanahan]

1) well Marx was Racist, 2) anti-semitic, and 3) pro-slavery, 4) and used the n word to describe his opponents

1) And what do you base this on. By modern eyes pretty much every 19th century person is racist. But then more change and what was acceptable then is not now, and vice versa.

2) You know he was ethnically Jewish right? His family had a long line of distinguished rabbis based in Trier. His father only converted on economic grounds. Along with this Engels his closest collaborator and great friend was also brought up Jewish.

3) Read this. It is a letter sent to Lincoln on the time of his re-election by leaders of the International, including Karl Marx. It pretty much refutes the "pro-slavery accusuation".

4) Many people used the N word back then, including the likes of Abraham Lincoln, and Harriet Beecher Stowe. You have no point here.

Edit: and I'm suprised no-one has mentioned my Darwin allusion in my previous post. I personally thought it was funny.

 

[Deego3]

Utimately he believed that communism was the end result. Human society wouldn't be able to develop past communism because communism was the final stage in human development.

 

[_random_]

well Marx was.... pro-slavery

Any of the others I would have bought (although Marx's ethnic Judaism was rattling around in my brain somewhere and would have showed up eventually) but how can anybody with even a rudimentary understanding of communism hear this and not have go "lolwut?"