What is going on in the UK?

[Senethro]

No body in this thread is arguing for stopping all immigration, so the rest of your post is irrelevant.

Its sort of like Brexit in that regard. Only the crazies know what they want, and thats why they'll get their way. The supposed moderates get eroded by repeated failure and concede to their hardline "allies".

More likely than not, we'll see it all across the continent of Europe in the next two years. The centre Right will cross the red line to work with the Far Right and behave as if thats normal and reasonable. The a few years later I imagine there will be a mix of outright collapses from dysfunctional coalitions, or the centre Right ~*Mysteriously*~ adopting more extreme positions as if their failure are just from not going hard enough.

 

[EnglishEdward]

The supposed moderates get eroded by repeated failure

The thing is I am not convinced that the so called moderates are even trying to deal with many of the problems.

Those not in denial that there are problems are merely talking about dealing with them without planning to do much.

 

[NovaKart]

I know probably over a dozen people who went to the UK to claim asylum. I knew them in their home country and none of them were in danger there. One of them was telling me how he planned to travel home once he got permission to stay in UK, another I saw on FB that it looked like he had traveled home to visit.

Shabana Mahmoud made a good point how they want to still have an asylum system left in the end. It’s the real refugees who suffer from an overburdened system and an increasingly angry public who are tired of being scammed.

 

[Clubber Lang]

Free Digital I.D. cards scheme to cost 1.8 billion pounds (Maybe much more in the future).

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E.V. and Hybrid vehicles to pay-per-mile, how will that be tracked?

How will mileage be tracked and audited?​

One of the biggest criticisms of road pricing to date has been how it will be enforced, with major concerns raised that it will require Big Brother-style black boxes that monitor every movement of the nation's motorists.
But Ms Reeves plans to quell those concerns with a less invasive system.
She instead will ask EV drivers to estimate their annual mileage and pay a fee based on that prediction.
If the motorist doesn't drive as far as estimated, the remaining money will be carried over to cover the subsequent year's mileage.
However, if they drive further than originally estimated, they would be required to top up their payment to the Government.
How mileages will be monitored and audited remains one of the major questions the nation's drivers - and shadow MPs - will have. And it too could trigger a rise in one particular type of fraud that's already prevalent in Britain... which we will come to later.

Sounds like eventually every car/vehicle (petrol and diesel cars sales ban from 2030) in the U.K. will be fitted a with a tracking, recording and monitoring device/tech.
Knowing the mob in charge, it will not just be resticted for pay-per-mile.

I guess some other PPM system to be implented for non-U.K. vehicles or at some point they too will be fitted with a spy box/device on entry to the nations roads.

 

[danjuno]

No body in this thread is arguing for stopping all immigration, so the rest of your post is irrelevant.

Ord did the reverse first, do you also disagree with his assertion?

Any pushback is being dismissed as "racism" as if the conversation is over after that.
Its an easy way to just "lalalalalala, I cant hear you".

Immigration is one of many economic factors, so if you hyper-focus on it people are going to wonder why.

But the people jumping on this virtue bandwagon dont realize they are taken for a ride. Politicians make rich megadeals for these people and they and their friends get filthy rich.
Over the back of the indegenous people of the area and their safety.
And the media joins by happily labeling them as "far right" etc etc etc. and by parotting the lies, so they can get a share of the bag.

The Media makes big bucks hyping up "immigrant crime" hysteria, and Manufacturing/Service sectors are increasingly relying on automation to replace native workers rather than underpaying immigrants.

 

[EnglishEdward]

Ord did the reverse first, do you also disagree with his assertion?

I am really not sure what you are talking about.

 

[EnglishEdward]

E.V. and Hybrid vehicles to pay-per-mile, how will that be tracked?

Sounds like eventually every car/vehicle (petrol and diesel cars sales ban from 2030) in the U.K. will be fitted a with a tracking, recording and monitoring device/tech.
Knowing the mob in charge, it will not just be restricted for pay-per-mile.

Quite so. The government is assuming its role is to control its citizens.

 

[danjuno]

I am really not sure what you are talking about.

this false idea that welcoming all immigrants is somehow not going to deteriorate the lot of the poorest is pure racist delusion against natives

 

[EnglishEdward]

I agree with Ordnael that that false idea is a delusion.

In my opinion whether it is a racist delusion depends upon the motivation of the individual who holds it.

 

[danjuno]

I agree with Ordnael that that false idea is a delusion.

In my opinion whether it is a racist delusion depends upon the motivation of the individual who holds it.

He was responding to Cloud, do you believe this is an accurate representation of her views?

 

[EnglishEdward]

This is all rather indirect and recursive and running away from the topic thread.

Furthermore it is for Cloud to state what her views are, not for me to speak on her behalf.

 

[danjuno]

This is all rather indirect and recursive and running away from the topic thread.

Furthermore it is for Cloud to state what her views are, not for me to speak on her behalf.

I am more than happy to do so if you will do the same for Ord.

 

[EnglishEdward]

do what?

 

[Theov]

Not credible. You and ord can claim you are blaming the politicians, but want action taken against the groups you hate/are scared of for no good reason.

"for no good reason"
Did you really say that?
Do you want me to make a collection of all the problems the UK has had with immigrants that are housed?

Asylum seeker jailed for raping 15-year-old girl in Oxford

A judge tells Amin Abedi Mofrad he exploited his victim's vulnerability during the attack in Oxford.

www.bbc.com

Four teenage asylum seekers arrested after girl, 15, allegedly raped at school in Dover | LBC

Four teenage asylum seekers have been arrested over the alleged rape of a 15-year-old girl at a school in Kent, according to reports.

www.lbc.co.uk

Man who raped girl, 15, on Falkirk street jailed for nine years

Sadeq Nikzad, 29, targeted the girl in Falkirk town centre in October 2023.

www.bbc.com

Migrant jailed for 10 years over rape of 15-year-old girl

Anicet Mayela was granted asylum in the UK following several failed attempts to deport him

www.independent.co.uk

This took me literally one minute and one google search.

Your concern is the target of your emotions, not fixing the system.

Of course they are - as a result I'd hope Europe fixes its broken system.
The western world and its fruits are worth conserving.

 

[Broken_Erika]

"for no good reason"
Did you really say that?
Do you want me to make a collection of all the problems the UK has had with immigrants that are housed?

Asylum seeker jailed for raping 15-year-old girl in Oxford

A judge tells Amin Abedi Mofrad he exploited his victim's vulnerability during the attack in Oxford.

www.bbc.com

Four teenage asylum seekers arrested after girl, 15, allegedly raped at school in Dover | LBC

Four teenage asylum seekers have been arrested over the alleged rape of a 15-year-old girl at a school in Kent, according to reports.

www.lbc.co.uk

Man who raped girl, 15, on Falkirk street jailed for nine years

Sadeq Nikzad, 29, targeted the girl in Falkirk town centre in October 2023.

www.bbc.com

Migrant jailed for 10 years over rape of 15-year-old girl

Anicet Mayela was granted asylum in the UK following several failed attempts to deport him

www.independent.co.uk

This took me literally one minute and one google search.


Of course they are - as a result I'd hope Europe fixes its broken system.
The western world and its fruits are worth conserving.

So, out of those 7, and i'm sure there's more, how many Crimes were committed by British people during the same time? Or what the actual percentage of Asylum Seekers/Refugees who commit those kind of crimes. Those would be a worthy studies.

 

[Samson]

"for no good reason"
Did you really say that?
Do you want me to make a collection of all the problems the UK has had with immigrants that are housed?

Asylum seeker jailed for raping 15-year-old girl in Oxford

A judge tells Amin Abedi Mofrad he exploited his victim's vulnerability during the attack in Oxford.

www.bbc.com

Four teenage asylum seekers arrested after girl, 15, allegedly raped at school in Dover | LBC

Four teenage asylum seekers have been arrested over the alleged rape of a 15-year-old girl at a school in Kent, according to reports.

www.lbc.co.uk

Man who raped girl, 15, on Falkirk street jailed for nine years

Sadeq Nikzad, 29, targeted the girl in Falkirk town centre in October 2023.

www.bbc.com

Migrant jailed for 10 years over rape of 15-year-old girl

Anicet Mayela was granted asylum in the UK following several failed attempts to deport him

www.independent.co.uk

This took me literally one minute and one google search.


Of course they are - as a result I'd hope Europe fixes its broken system.
The western world and its fruits are worth conserving.

In a country of 65 million people single incidents are meaningless beyond their individual impact. We can look at wider data:

Crime and immigration: new evidence from England and Wales

Adopting this empirical approach to implement a causal research design, and contrary to the 'immigration causes crime’ populist view expressed in some media and political debate, we find no evidence of an average causal impact of immigration on criminal behaviour. This is also the case when we study A8 and Non-A8 immigration separately. We also study London by itself as the immigration changes there were very dramatic. Again, we find no causal positive impact of immigration on crime from our spatial econometric analysis and also present evidence from unique data on arrests of natives and immigrants which as well shows no immigrant differences in the likelihood of being arrested.

IMMIGRATION AND THE CRIME DROP: INTERNATIONAL PERSPECTIVES

While the limited evidence presented in this paper suggests that recent waves of immigration have not resulted in an increase in recorded crime, but rather may have contributed to the crime drop there are some variations between areas and different immigrant groups.

the impression that emerges from the four ‘snapshots’ that we have presented is that immigration has not been found to be generally associated with increasing crime, and as Robert Sampson (2008) has suggested immigration could be an important contributory factor in the crime drop at least in certain areas and amongst different ethnic groups.

Spoiler Legend :

Changes in crime and immigration. Notes: Based on 347 local authorities for England and Wales and 32 London boroughs between 2004/5 and 2010/11. Slopes (standard errors in parentheses) from population weighted regressions.

 

[Senethro]

The western world and its fruits are worth conserving.

I swear you didn't used to be weird like this.

 

[Ordnael]

Let's add foreign criminals to the ones we already have indoors. Why not?
Also let's keep them within borders and maybe slap their wrists after they commit such horrendous crimes instead of a outright decade of encarceration followed by expulsion. After all raping a minor here, murdering a passerby, this is an acceptable price to pay for keeping all the virtuous nu colonisers.
And ofc let's take in real refugees from war zones along with fake asylum seekers and opportunnists looking for hand outs.
Let's also not take a look at their criminal background and let all undocumented people in. What could possibly go wrong?
Pfff white majority western countries and their borders...such outdated concepts!
It's not like most other nations, if not all, of the non western world cares and enforces their borders and citizenship with a firm grip?

 

[EnglishEdward]

@ Samson

I am sceptical of many crime statistics.

In many instances crime is not reported and even if it is, the identity
(and therefore immigration status) of the criminals is often unknown.

I suspect that there other reasons why there has been a crime drop
in some categories. I will give you some examples of my guesses why.


(1) The cheap availability of new goods, via Shein and Temu etc, means there is less
benefit in burgling and competing with charity shops etc, to sell stolen goods.

(2) A failure to prosecute rape means there is less incentive for it to be reported.

(3) Many younger people adopt a policy of not carrying cash, so pick pocketing
and mugging are less attractive.

(4) Roll out of CCTV and facial recognition may be having some impact at crime hot spots.

I could go on.

Anyway I won't pretend to have quantitative evidence to support my guesses.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Let's add foreign criminals to the ones we already have indoors. Why not?
Also let's keep them within borders and maybe slap their wrists after they commit such horrendous crimes instead of a outright decade of encarceration followed by expulsion. After all a raping a minor here, murdering a passerby there is an acceptable price to pay for keeping all the virtuous nu colonisers.
And ofc let's take in real refugees from war zones along with fake asylum seekers and opportunnist looking for hand outs.
Let's also not take a look at their criminal background and let all undocumented people in. What could possibly go wrong?
Pfff white majority western countries and their borders...such outdated concepts!
It's not like most other nations, if not all, of the non western world cares and enforces their borders and citizenship with a firm grip?

Are you alright