2020 US Election (Part 3)

[Gori the Grey]

They are taking this theory to court.

I don't believe you can take theories to court.

Or rather, if you do, expect pretty much the results that Trump's court theories have met with so far.

 

[Ferocitus]

In the same category, a vague acquaintance recently told me and others not to get the flu vaccine because it could make us show up poisitve on a corona test


that guy sounds like a dutch relavtive of the POTUS. Ruud van der Trumperen or something

I've stopped listening to the unmitigated claptrap coming out of Washington.
DEAF TO AMERIKA!

 

[Samson]

Do you know even know what SARS-CoV-2 is and what it's made up of? If you did you'd understand how silly your statement is.



First the chart doesn't identify any cases of respiratory distress.

Second testing positive for COVID-19 =/= you have respiratory distress (whatever your definition of that is suppose to mean).

Third it absolutely does change what we ought to be doing

I kind of do. Respiratory distress is a medical term for struggling to breathe, it is the main reason for hospitalisation for COVID. If people are being hospitalised at levels reported and misdiagnosed as COVID rather than "common flu", then influenza is spreading at dangerous levels and we should be locking down and wearing masks and all the other things we are doing. Of course it would mean that the vaccine will not work because it does not prevent flu so we should be doing more to prepare for the medium term problems.

 

[El_Machinae]

And that the tests are highly specific and won't pick up other corona-virus variants?

I will also point out the admission that Trump was hired to deliver world-class testing, didn't deliver, but then constantly brags about it. Something about the most cases because of the most tests.

If I hired someone to manage a company to deliver profits, and then realized he was pulling an Enron on me, I would probably donate to his legal fund so that he could pocket the donations

 

[BCheek]

Respiratory distress is a medical term for struggling to breathe, it is the main reason for hospitalisation for COVID.

Struggling to breathe doesn't mean you have COVID-19.

If people are being hospitalised at levels reported and misdiagnosed as COVID rather than "common flu", then influenza is spreading at dangerous levels and we should be locking down and wearing masks and all the other things we are doing. Of course it would mean that the vaccine will not work because it does not prevent flu so we should be doing more to prepare for the medium term problems.

Lockdowns for the common flu? Are you insane??

The vaccine cannot ever work effectively because COVID-19 is an RNA virus. It would work similarly to the flu shot, so often not at all.

More people have been harmed because they were unable to get proper medical treatment during the lockdowns than the people who have been harmed by COVID-19. Then you can add into that the people who will continue to suffer because of the negative economic impact the lockdowns have had.

 

[Hrothbern]

In the same category, a vague acquaintance recently told me and others not to get the flu vaccine because it could make us show up poisitve on a corona test


that guy sounds like a dutch relavtive of the POTUS. Ruud van der Trumperen or something

What's the word Colbert used? Truthiness, or something.

yeah
Truthiness
A kind of super-intellectualism Platonian pure truth-reality seeking, not the muddy realities of the real world.
"Get enlightened, follow my truth. no muddy realities for you anymore"
And that Baudet kicks out everybody from his party who does not follow his truths.

 

[Samson]

Struggling to breathe doesn't mean you have COVID-19.


Lockdowns for the common flu? Are you insane??

The vaccine cannot ever work effectively because COVID-19 is an RNA virus. It would work similarly to the flu shot, so often not at all.

Most people who are hospitalised for COVID are struggling to breathe. The last pandemic was influenza (the clue is in the name, spanish flu). Measles is an RNA virus, and that is one if the most effective vaccines we have.

 

[BCheek]

Most people who are hospitalised for COVID are struggling to breathe. The last pandemic was influenza (the clue is in the name, spanish flu)

Yes, but that's irrelevant to the point I'm making about the data being flawed and the analyses of this data being equally flawed, especially in the media.

Measles is an RNA virus, and that is one if the most effective vaccines we have.

COVID-19 is a +ssRNA virus. Measles is an -ssRNA virus.

 

[El_Machinae]

We all know there is good reason why the coronavirus didn't historically already have a vaccine, even if we didn't know that reason specifically. Because it's hard. That is why they're using a new vaccine technology, and I think it's correct to not get overly optimistic.

If the vaccine can't work, is Trump participating in the largest fraud of the taxpayer in recent history? Operation warp speed.

And that would be the fraud on top of all the fraud that is paying for testing that is garbage.

Meanwhile, of course, claiming that both the testing and vaccine are high quality

 

[Samson]

Yes, but that's irrelevant to the point I'm making about the data being flawed and the analyses of this data being equally flawed, especially in the media.

The data we are talking about is dangerously spiking hospitalisations attributed to COVID. The explanation you proposed was these were misdiagnosed influenza patients. How is it irrelevant that a dangerous spike in influenza hospitalisations would be similarly dangerous?

COVID-19 is a +ssRNA virus. Measles is an -ssRNA virus.

Do you know what that means? And how it effects the likely immune response?
[EDIT]And the 2nd virus I was going to check because the vaccine can be famously effective, is polio which is also +ssRNA.

 

[onejayhawk]

And you believe this?

Not yet, but there is a certain verisimilitude to it. It accounts for some very improbable numbers and it can explain literally millions of votes.

I don't believe you can take theories to court.

That's exactly what you do, though you might call it something else. The facts are the facts, sometimes disputed and sometimes not. You have to have a theory that explains how the facts occurred.

Or rather, if you do, expect pretty much the results that Trump's court theories have met with so far.

Apples and oranges. There was a great deal of small stuff going on. This is one that covers many states with one arc.

J

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Not yet, but there is a certain verisimilitude to it. It accounts for some very improbable numbers and it can explain literally millions of votes.

An acknowledgement then, that you are essentially a completely empty vessel, ready to recieve whatever garbage the right-wing feed to you

 

[Lexicus]

Not yet

"...but I'm talking myself into it"

 

[Cloud_Strife]

"...but I'm talking myself into it"

I wish these people didn't hold the power they do because they are genuinely destroying this country

 

[Lexicus]

I wish these people didn't hold the power they do because they are genuinely destroying this country

Yeah we're pretty much fully doomed, it's wild

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Yeah we're pretty much fully doomed, it's wild

I’m going on record now If they try to cancel Christianity, if they try to force me to apologize or recant my Faith, I will not bend, I will not waver, I will not break. On Christ the solid Rock I stand!!!!!!!!1 And I’m proud to be an American!!

 

[Birdjaguar]

Not given the pre-election fervor over voting and the four years of constant discord across the country. Having more people on both sides decide this election was important enough to make the effort to vote is not surprising at all. Mail in voting also added to the ease with which people could vote. To not have such a surge would mean that all those campaign dollars spent to rile up the voters had gone to waste. Statistics have nothing to do with this. They are a backward looking tool (like accounting) that one can use to account for changes. Campaign rhetoric and spending are forward looking tools that try to drive change. They worked well this year to spark increased turnout.

Which is why it is an indicator, not proof.

Regardless, I am hearing that Limbaugh claims the Trump vote broke the system. The logic goes that the computer counting software used in 33 states was carefully loaded to give Biden a winning edge, but that the Trump vote overwhelmed the parameters, so they had to stop the counting and fabricate physical ballots. They are taking this theory to court. We'll see how it goes.

J

And your "proof"? The simplest and most likely cause of increased voter turnout in an election is voter interest in the outcome. The overall participation is certainly up. do we know where, as in which states, the majority of the increase happened? If increased participation only happened in the important swing states and only in democratic tending districts, then all you have to do is find the hacks in those states. Now if the increase in participation was spread across lots of states, your claim is much less compelling.

Rush has been a "hate the libruls" rabble rouser for three decades. This is his last hurrah. The socialist rag WSJ recently ran a story about voter machines and debunked all those notions about machine fraud. I posted it in one of these threads.

 

[GenMarshall]

You need to calm down my friend and accept President-Elect Biden into your heart.

First of all, he’s not President. The quicker you realize this the less of a shock of a Trump win will be for you. We still have until December 14 when the electors cast their votes (and that’s assuming an contingent election is not triggered). And we’re not even at Inauguration Day for Pete’s sakes!. Second of all, Trump has not conceded and will not concede if he and others agree with him that there is evidence of improprierity happening in the electoral process.

Thirdly, why should 73 million Americans accept Biden to be president (assuming all the issues are ironed out, gone through the electoral college proceed, and sworn in in January 20th)? When in the past four years, Democrats and the left have been screaming that he’s an illegitimate President, wasting our time with Russiagate and an impeachment because “Orange Man Bad”. Why should Trump supporters extend the same curtesy of “this is a legitimate president” when none was shown to Trump in the past four years? At worst they will say Biden stole the elections and that his entire administration is illegitimate. At best they’d begrudgingly accept Biden as President on Inauguration Day but would consider him as a one-term lame duck president on the level of Jimmy Carter, especially if 2022 rolls around and people vote in more GOP senators and representatives.

Again, Biden is not president until he’s sworn in on January 20th. Trump will and still be your president until then (Once again, if a contingent election isint triggered that would give Trump a Win on the bases of the State’s legislatures composed of mostly Republicans).

 

[Cloud_Strife]

First of all, he’s not President. The quicker you realize this the less of a shock of a Trump win will be for you. We still have until December 14 when the electors cast their votes (and that’s assuming an contingent election is not triggered). And we’re not even at Inauguration Day for Pete’s sakes!. Second of all, Trump has not conceded and will not concede if he and others agree with him that there is evidence of improprierity happening in the electoral process.

Thirdly, why should 73 million Americans accept Biden to be president (assuming all the issues are ironed out, gone through the electoral college proceed, and sworn in in January 20th)? When in the past four years, Democrats and the left have been screaming that he’s an illegitimate President, wasting our time with Russiagate and an impeachment because “Orange Man Bad”. Why should Trump supporters extend the same curtesy of “this is a legitimate president” when none was shown to Trump in the past four years? At worst they will say Biden stole the elections and that his entire administration is illegitimate. At best they’d begrudgingly accept Biden as President on Inauguration Day but would consider him as a one-term lame duck president on the level of Jimmy Carter, especially if 2022 rolls around and people vote in more GOP senators and representatives.

Again, Biden is not president until he’s sworn in on January 20th. Trump will and still be your president until then (Once again, if a contingent election isint triggered that would give Trump a Win on the bases of the State’s legislatures composed of mostly Republicans).

I guess your metamorphasis into a republican/right winger is complete.

I hope one day you can rejoin the rest of us in reality

 

[El_Machinae]

Thirdly, why should 73 million Americans accept Biden to be president (assuming all the issues are ironed out, gone through the electoral college proceed, and sworn in in January 20th)?

So that the government can bring forward legislation that helps people and has bipartisan support, despite the best efforts of the two parties to make it into a mudslinging destruction of the Republic?