2020 US Election (Part One)

[ThERat]

this is so damn powerful. Americans, go and vote for this guy. The entire world needs him and his movement to succeed.

 

[Kyriakos]

The DNC should make another change and set it so that all primary votes for centrists corporate shills automatically go to whoever takes the mantle when other cs fall. So Bloom should take any percentage Bide/Butt/cisWarren/Klob do, to stand a chance to defeat Bernie.

this is so damn powerful. Americans, go and vote for this guy. The entire world needs him and his movement to succeed.

Excellent speech...

 

[Narz]

NY times posted some nonsense article about how Sanders will lose to Trump, I read it disgusted and lost the link but it's easy to find.

America wants to experiment with something new clearly. Bill Maher is dead wrong when he says "let's get back to normal", absolutely not

 

[Zardnaar]

NY times posted some nonsense article about how Sanders will lose to Trump, I read it disgusted and lost the link but it's easy to find.

America wants to experiment with something new clearly. Bill Maher is dead wrong when he says "let's get back to normal", absolutely not

You could make that arguement about any of them.

 

[Estebonrober]

A video to share about wealth inequality in America.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/02/watch-cbs-journalist-use-pie-illustrate-inequality.html

I mean most of us are aware of it, even the right wing side of the forum admits it is a growing problem largely. It is very hard to get into people's heads how big the problem is becoming.

 

[Berzerker]

As a wild guess, not a darn thing. Near as I can make out you haven't actually contributed anything of value to this forum in years...if ever.

I imagine a few people were entertained by our flame wars, but I dont know why Lex liked your post, he said he enjoyed my ancient alien threads.

I'm not complaining about your choice of words, I'm actually pointing out you're unable to demonstrate that a problem even exists. Your use of sensationalizing language ("desert littered with bodies") is an attempt to create the "problem" out of whole cloth, exactly like Trump's statements about rapists and criminals. You and Trump both hope no one will notice that neither of you is able to make a factual argument. Just sensationalize and hope people's lizard-brain racism will fill in the rest.

Yes, let's. Reports tell of rampant sexual abuse inside Trump's concentration camps. Border enforcement = rapists in US government uniforms.

Did you think no one will notice how you complained about sensationalizing language in the same post you called border agents rapists? So are you dismissing this as a problem because Trump cited dead people as a reason for his wall? How many bodies will it take before you think it is a problem?

Found on April 22, 2019, Aguillon would become the 47th dead migrant to be retrieved from the Arizona borderlands since the first of the year. By August, as temperatures rose as high as 107 degrees, that number would more than double.

“It's like a gigantic cemetery right now, crossing the desert. Only a few make it. Once they get into the desert, there is no return,” Fajardo says.

https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2019/12/us/no-olvidado-missing-migrants-border/

'Its like a gigantic cemetery'. Lecture that guy about sensationalizing language, lizard brains and Trump. He volunteers to go looking for dead people based on pleas for help from the families of missing people.

You asked what problem Mexicans see, they see dead people. And this doesn't include the horrors south of the border where the gangs, crooked cops and politicians are in control.

https://qz.com/1734240/criminal-misconduct-by-us-border-officers-has-hit-a-5-year-high/

That 5 year high was in 2018 after more agents were hired, but the number was much higher in 2012 under Obama. Those aren't just rapes though, thats a variety of offenses. Do you have a link to support equating border agents with rapists?

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2013/10/migrants-mexico-invisible-journeys/

Thousands of people from Central America make their way across Mexico every year, hoping to escape grinding poverty and insecurity back home and make better lives for themselves and their families in the USA.

Many of them travel on foot or on the top of freight trains. Their journey is full of dangers.

Kidnapping is a constant fear. Thousands of women, men and children are abducted every year. Victims whose desperate relatives cannot raise the ransom face torture or death.

Rape is widespread. It is believed that as many as six out of every 10 migrant women and girls experience sexual violence during the journey.

But you think the problem is with border agents, thats where rape is rampant cuz border agents = rapists. And you dont see the irony of condemning Trump for making a generalization?

 

[ThERat]

Tomorrow all hell will break loose in the DNC cos Bernie is beating them all. I actually think, they would even assassinate him to prevent his candidacy.

 

[Arakhor]

Moderator Action: Let's not speculate about such things, thanks.

 

[ThERat]

Well, all I can say is, the democratic establishment is out in full force with smear campaigns, accusing Bernie of being divisive when it's them who demonize Bernie. Cable news is more than disgusting in their coverage. They are scared as hell.
Am I not right about this?

 

[Kyriakos]

I hope Bernie runs away with all three first primaries. He is the only hope for decency.

When will the results be known?

Also, apparently Butty disabled a poll (the final one), hoping he won't collapse.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

I watched a bit of analysis by PBS last night and they pointed out that if you ask the supporters of every candidate except Bernie if they will vote for the eventual nominee, the answer is 'Yes' to the tune of around 90ish % of their supporters. For Bernie supporters, that percentage is in the 50% range.

 

[Kyriakos]

I watched a bit of analysis by PBS last night and they pointed out that if you ask the supporters of every candidate except Bernie if they will vote for the eventual nominee, the answer is 'Yes' to the tune of around 90ish % of their supporters. For Bernie supporters, that percentage is in the 50% range.

We don't know if that will happen - for the time being the DNC is busy trying to steal the nomination from Bern again.
TBH, if Bernie wins the nomination, it is very likely the DNC won't help make him president.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

TBH, if Bernie wins the nomination, it is very likely the DNC won't help make him president.

This is too far I think. They certainly aren't trying to help him but I haven't seen too much overt titling of the field outside of a couple of crappy debates. And those were CNN debates so what was anyone thinking. And if anything, the hostile format gives Bernie a chance to prepare for the general debates which will almost certainly be presented as a choice between normalcy and a communist coup. The debates certainly haven't hurt him I'd say.

 

[Ironsided]

What data did the analysts on PBS back that up with? Oh, they didn’t, you just took their words as truth. Public service news is not a source of truth - it’s hopefully a more balanced source of both sides of the arguments - but the arguments themselves and the corruption of analysts remain the same. Take it from someone who only watch news from public service on TV.

If I’m not misinformed; in the real-world results outside political “analytics” a larger percentage of Bernie supporters stayed with Hillary in -16 than Hillary supporters stayed with Obama in -08. Judging by Hillary and her acolytes pathetic whining at anything Sanders you could be easily misled on that.

 

[Sommerswerd]

RCP has Bernie within 4% of Biden now (3.7). I was listening to MSNBC on the radio this morning and they seem to be warming up to Bernie very much... still a little resistance, with some seeming to turn to Klobuchar and/or Bloomberg (WTH ), but one commentator (Chris Matthews IIRC) pointed out that Bloomberg is actually a Republican, so if it came down to Bernie v. Bloomberg it would technically be a race between two non-Democrats for the Democratic nomination, indicating that the Democratic party is facing some obvious deep-seated issues/disconnect with its electorate.

 

[Farm Boy]

I really am confused by the souls of the parties these days. The Republican "base" everyone talks about is less economically powerful and more socially stigmatized than 5 years ago, the opposite of tradition. The nuDemocratic power platforms aren't Mississippi Delta, they're concentrated enclaves that have relatively thrived over the past dozen years.

I'd say both parties are going through a crises of the heart. The Republicans are failing on Christian kindness/mercy and the Democrats have been playing it rich on trade/finance/technology.

 

[Takhisis]

I'd say both parties are going through a crises of the heart.

Certainly. They're both ‘big tent’ parties that monopolise power in a country with over 300 million citizens, a situation which in any democracy would give rise to a few more parties and coalition rule.

 

[Kyriakos]

I liked a youtube comment: "Bernie isn't 78, he is 46"

 

[Farm Boy]

Well, it has been effectively coalition rule, by parliamentary standards, just not in name. Historically, the wings within each party have been pretty pronounced. The legislators have tended to be pretty loyal over things like committee appointments and procedural workings in general. But politically, Blue Dogs were different and they voted different in a breaking ranks sort of way that would be vote of no confidence territory. Rockefellers were different and they voted different in the same sort of way. Baptists were different and they voted different in the same sort of way. Their issues all overlapped and it offered flexibility of alliance and coalition. The parties have hardened as they've swapped stances over things like trade and labor.

 

[Ironsided]

If I’m not misinformed; in the real-world results outside political “analytics” a larger percentage of Bernie supporters stayed with Hillary in -16 than Hillary supporters stayed with Obama in -08. Judging by Hillary and her acolytes pathetic whining at anything Sanders you could be easily misled on that.

Ask and ye shall receive or something. This video just showed up in my YouTube feed and according to Kyle: 25% of Hillary supporter dropped off, only 12% for Bernie. I searched but didn't find it. Thanks Kyle.