Cloud_Strife
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I genuinely believe you are being too optimistic about a bloomberg candidacy; I think Trump has a better chance of winning against him then he does against Sanders.
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I genuinely believe you are being too optimistic about a bloomberg candidacy; I think Trump has a better chance of winning against him then he does against Sanders.
B in a heartbeat.
Our choices are Trump or a Democrat. Trump is worse than any Dem, even Bloomberg. No perspective is more important than November. Bloomberg has spent hundreds of millions of dollars in anti Trump ads. Do you want Trump or a Dem choosing the next SCOTUS? No one's personal issues or biases are more important than getting rid of Trump. If Trump wins, things only get worse for everyone except the rich. With any Dem, we get some progress on health care and likely immigration. That is a start. To not vote Democratic regardless of who it is, is just plain stupidity. It is narrow minded. It is playing the "if i don't get my way, I'm going to cry and go home" card. It is so very short-sighted.
As I have said, they are all too old, but we have to play the cards we are dealt. Leaving the game is foolish.
Timsup2nothin
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General reading from my limited access seat the GOP establishment doesn't think that Trump can beat anybody. The issue is the downticket effects.
Cloud_Strife
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And yet you cling to your belief that electing another Oligarch simply because he is opposed to trump isn't, perhaps if you were to take a step back and realize what you are effectively ushering you, you'd be equally aghast.
If Bloomberg gets in, I fear for African-Americans, Women and transpeople.
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Why, if you don't mind me asking. B is a lock solid there will be no progress made on anything guarantee.
Moreso than what we've seen and expect to see more of with Trump (and a spineless Republican-majority Senate)?
GoodEnoughForMe
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Absolutely fantastic Democrat messaging - and what the party would deserve - if they abandoned all principal by going against a guy who has harassed and assaulted women with a guy who has harassed and assaulted women.
I mean, empathy-less "win at all costs" is supposed to be the Republican mantra, but hey, if the Democrats really want to elevate billionaire pigs to office, who am I to stop them. Dems have elected rapists before.
I mean, empathy-less "win at all costs" is supposed to be the Republican mantra, but hey, if the Democrats really want to elevate billionaire pigs to office, who am I to stop them. Dems have elected rapists before.
Bloomberg may be bad in some ways,, but he is not as bad as trump and, at least, he is smart enough to know that if he wins it will be his legacy at stake. Do you prefer Trump over Bloomberg?
Cloud_Strife
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Both are scumbags, equally willing to capitulate to rapacious capitalism, but you seem to think one is better then the other by virtue of simply not being trump.
All I'm saying is that any Dem is a step up from Trump. Biden, Sanders, Bloomberg are all too old and out of touch, but what is important is that one of them gets elected if they are our only options. I no longer care which one.
You are exactly right.
Lexicus
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Actually, I would argue that believing Bloomberg is better simply because he is a Democrat is the very definition of short-sighted and narrow-minded and even plain stupidity. Look, any other Democrat in the race I'll accept is better than Trump. I may or may not vote for them, because I live in the District and the Democrat is going to win here by a margin of over 80%, and I'm not too interested in adding to the popular vote margin of a Biden. But they're better than Trump. Bloomberg is goddamn evil. It is deeply depressing to me that many Democrats I know are responding to Bloomberg's candidacy the way you are instead of dismissing him out of hand as a plutocrat who should not be anywhere near the election.
It's entirely possible that there is reason to fear Bloomberg more. He is, by all the signs, more competent than Trump, and has a record of outright fascism in New York City. At least if Trump is re-elected I won't have to listen to four years of Blue No Matter Who zombies defending fascism because it's a Democrat doing it now.
I'm honestly not 100% sure. President Sanders would have a pretty broad scope for executive action, which ultimately might accomplish more than the, at best, weaksauce crap that would get passed in scenario A.
Cloud_Strife
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Explain to me why the **** I'd be motivated to vote at all when my choices would between differing shades of transphobia?
It gets worse when you start factoring in African-American and Hispanic voters.
Bingo.
Since Reps and Dems seem to only agree on different ways in which the government should be more powerful, the only way to slow that down is to get them busier fighting each other than to focus on the ways one or the other party seeks to expand.
Since neither choice A or B includes the name Trump, I'll go for the one that won't defenestrate the Bill of Rights.
Edit: You'd have made my choice more difficult by flipping the pairings, making Bloomberg fight Congress.
Zkribbler
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Learned a new word today. And what a good word it is. Look at the little latin "fenestram" (window) hanging out in there, revealing exactly what the word means.
Timsup2nothin
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This is a high vulnerability rotation for the GOP in the senate that doesn't come around again for another six years. To not take advantage of it with the opportunity the Trump albatross represents would be a horrible waste, IMO. As to the scope of executive action available, a GOP controlled congress would bury him in lawsuits at every stroke of his pen, and we know where the courts would land. Especially given that every judge Sanders nominated would be met by McConnell saying "nahhhh, we'll just wait for a Republican thanks."
On the other hand, if congress presented Bloomberg with popular health care reform he'd sign it. If they pushed us back into international cooperation on climate change he'd sign it. There'd be some progress made.
Cloud_Strife
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Progress for whom? Not for the non-rich, i can assure you.
My response is that any Dem is better than Trump, because of SCOTUS, possibility to win the Senate, and the DOJ can be saved. My biggest concern over Sanders is that he might not have much down ballot power for the Senate.
Because transphobia is not our biggest problem? For you it is important, but it is small potatoes when compared to the wreckage Trump is causing with everything he touches. A democratic House and President is unlikely to make your situation worse.
No you can't. You are just making that up.
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