2020 US Election (Part One)

[Hrothbern]

what? I was talking about Mayor Peter.

My bad
But it still applies
To Bernie

 

[EnglishEdward]

Been checking wiki, let me see:

All four democrat leading contenders are already over 70

Michael Rubens Bloomberg (born February 14, 1942)
Bernard Sanders (born September 8, 1941)
Joseph Robinette Biden Jr. (born November 20, 1942)
Elizabeth Ann Warren (born June 22, 1949)

As is the Donald

Donald John Trump (born June 14, 1946)

On 1 January 2001 all will be over 71; on 31 December 2025; all would be over 75

Am thinking that choice of VP may be more important.

 

[amadeus]

Save for Warren, all the leading candidates were born when WWII was still undecided.

I don’t think it disqualifies them, just an observation.

 

[luiz]

Sanders has looked exactly the same since the 70's, though. He might be the Highlander.

 

[Sommerswerd]

I was very nervous, but most people weren't actually home, and the ones who were either declined to engaged or told me they are already voting for Bernie. Pretty much everyone who said they are voted told me they were voting for Bernie, actually. Some of these people were boomers. I guess, if you are a boomer living in SF, you ARE going to vote for Bernie, but it was also another eye-opening moment for me. I guess, all these older folks also care about healthcare and climate change, and this gives me hope.

I canvassed for over 2 hours and knocked on more than 60 doors. I was really tired, and on my way home picked up a Bernie sign. As I was walking home with this sign, an elderly Asian man smiled at me and gave me a thumbs up. Wow. Everyone was so positive and nice. I heard from another canvasser that one household told me they already voted for Bloomberg because Bernie is too far left, but other than that, I didn't hear any bad stories.

When a political canvasser comes to your door asking you to vote for candidate X and you in-fact, intend to vote for candidate X, there's a strong tendency to say so, because you're meeting a political ally. Its a happy occasion. However, if you don't intend to vote for candidate X, there is a stronger incentive to either not engage, or not answer the door, because you don't want to be subjected to someone trying to "convince you" to vote for candidate X when you've already made up your mind.

Its the same with people on the street, who see you with candidate X gear. The folks who like candidate X are going to wave a smile and such, while those who aren't fans will mostly just ignore you. My point is that you're susceptible to a pretty significant amount of confirmation bias when canvassing, in the sense that the people who tend to interact with you are going to be the folks who support what you're promoting.

Still, good for you on getting involved, you're certainly doing your part to get Sanders elected. Also, Bernie winning in San Fran and California as a whole seems very likely to me.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

No one is looking at Sanders and saying "socialist, huh, must be a spy."

Right? It'd be hard for the GOP to even work that angle given Trumps.....seedy connections.

Notice I said "than anyone else" not "than everyone else." There are other people his age with successful political careers. Mayors, state assembly representatives, political operatives; he's 10X ahead of them. They are 10X ahead of other people who are in careers outside of politics, who in turn are 10X ahead of people who haven't "found their niche," who in turn are 10X ahead of people who have made career choices that pretty much make them unelectable.

And people who "think Buttigieg will be elected someday" are people who I would very much like to make bets with. There's a whole lot of water that needs to get under that bridge before his chances could be called really good.

I'd go even money that he gets at least a term in congress though.

I think they'll nominate him for a governor's race. They should; I think he can build a state-level coalition which is something the Democrats basically walked away from ~2005 - 2018.

 

[Sommerswerd]

Right? It'd be hard for the GOP to even work that angle given Trumps.....seedy connections.

Meh... Projection has been Trump and his team's jam since the beginning. I don't see why calling Bernie a Russian agent would somehow be a bridge too far for them.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

Do you think it would be effective though?

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Do you think it would be effective though?

Like I said, the "commie spy" thing is too obsolete anyway, but that "Socialism has demonstrably failed and now you want to put a socialist in charge?" that one sticks and it sticks hard.

 

[Birdjaguar]

Been checking wiki, let me see:

All four democrat leading contenders are already over 70

Michael Rubens Bloomberg (born February 14, 1942)
Bernard Sanders (born September 8, 1941)
Joseph Robinette Biden Jr. (born November 20, 1942)
Elizabeth Ann Warren (born June 22, 1949)

As is the Donald

Donald John Trump (born June 14, 1946)

On 1 January 2001 all will be over 71; on 31 December 2025; all would be over 75

Am thinking that choice of VP may be more important.

Save for Warren, all the leading candidates were born when WWII was still undecided.

I don’t think it disqualifies them, just an observation.

Trump, Sanders, Bloomberg and Biden are all too old. They are all too white. Warren is borderline too old, but being a women helps. A women needs to be on the Dem ticket and a person of color will help too.

VP choices: Kamela Harris, Cory Booker, Oprah, Amy K., Andrew Yang. Oprah would bring out the voters and could beat Trump hands down.

 

[Kyriakos]

Trump, Sanders, Bloomberg and Biden are all too old. They are all too white. Warren is borderline too old, but being a women helps. A women needs to be on the Dem ticket and a person of color will help too.

VP choices: Kamela Harris, Cory Booker, Oprah, Amy K., Andrew Yang. Oprah would bring out the voters and could beat Trump hands down.

So you are a Corn pop guy

VP choices: Kamela Harris [...] Oprah

You can't be serious

 

[Birdjaguar]

The goal is to win the election. Nothing else is of consequence. The ticket needs to be one that will draw in the most new voters and the most independent voters.

 

[Birdjaguar]

Amy 's out.

 

[luiz]

The goal is to win the election. Nothing else is of consequence. The ticket needs to be one that will draw in the most new voters and the most independent voters.

I don't think having Oprah on Sanders' ticket would help his "not working with billionaires" rhetoric.

 

[Berzerker]

it was inevitable some people would leave but I'll bet there's a push by the establishment to get the other moderates out of the way for Joe to go head to head with Bernie. Better yet if Warren hangs around to take from Bernie.

 

[Lexicus]

Nothing else is of consequence.

How can you actually think this tho? Nothing else? We want to "win the election" with, say, Mike Bloomberg, a man whose differences with Trump are minuscule, assuming they exist at all? We need to take a broader perspective on the problems facing us and how to solve them.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

The goal is to win the election. Nothing else is of consequence. The ticket needs to be one that will draw in the most new voters and the most independent voters.

So you'd swap one senile, racist, transphobic, old oligarch with another?

No wonder America is screwed.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

How can you actually think this tho? Nothing else? We want to "win the election" with, say, Mike Bloomberg, a man whose differences with Trump are minuscule, assuming they exist at all? We need to take a broader perspective on the problems facing us and how to solve them.

Straight up, if it were totally your call, which would you rather wind up with:

A) President Bloomberg, Senate Majority Leader Shumer, House Majority Leader Pelosi

B) President Sanders, Senate Majority Leader McConnell, House Majority Leader McCarthy

Setting aside the debate over downticket impacts and just accepting the hypothetical that those are the two choices, which one is better?

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Why are there only two choices?

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Why are there only two choices?

Makes the choice more stark.