Timsup2nothin
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I'll take 'perpetually' for a hundred Alex.
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2020 US Election (Part One)
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I'll take 'perpetually' for a hundred Alex.
Phrossack
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I asked questions about why you think Hillary is the devil but the rapist is A-okay. You have avoided answering them for the past several posts. I really don't feel like asking them again and you continuously give Trump passes for behavior that you'd condemn from anyone else. But we're going in circles here, and I'm getting tired of this.
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Don't talk about people - talk to them. If you want to talk about someone with someone else, then do it in private, rather than in public.
Do not enter arguments just to throw stones and then claim that you had no part in the argument or preceding discussion, because if you weren't involved, you wouldn't need to post to say that you weren't.
Moreover, this is a 2020 election thread, not a "let's reheat political zombies for fights and squabbles" thread. Let's try only discussing 2020 presidential candidates, eh?
Please read the forum rules: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=422889
Don't talk about people - talk to them. If you want to talk about someone with someone else, then do it in private, rather than in public.
Do not enter arguments just to throw stones and then claim that you had no part in the argument or preceding discussion, because if you weren't involved, you wouldn't need to post to say that you weren't.
Moreover, this is a 2020 election thread, not a "let's reheat political zombies for fights and squabbles" thread. Let's try only discussing 2020 presidential candidates, eh?
Please read the forum rules: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=422889
Berzerker
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I explained why Trump is preferable to Hillary in posts #1185 and 1200
These questions?
Telling us she's not in office is irrelevant to why she's not preferable to Trump.
and here was my answer:
He's trying to extricate us from the Middle East mess she helped create. How is that equal? How did the AG make marijuana equal to heroin? Trump signed into law a reform package to help the thousands of people rotting away in cages for drugs because of people like Hillary. How is that equal? And there you go again, you want us to compare Trump to Hillary without mentioning her record.
So what question did I miss? You dont even answer my questions but accuse me of avoiding yours?
I heard Hillary hasn't ruled out another run... She might win with Trump being so vulnerable.
We will bear this in mind when analysing your further posts.
Lexicus
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Didn't you say "we may need to send soldiers" to Venezuela or something? Would you oppose a Trump Administration invasion of Venezuela?
Ironsided
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It's not equal, but both are extremely irresponsible actions. The “she was irresponsible first” is not really a dialogue that should be moved from the sand-box to the white house. But it is irrevocably so by baby Trump. The US should have never entered a “war on terror” and now that you did you need to own up because leaving is most likely a surrender to the Taliban as much as it was when the US in practice surrendered to the North Vietnamese. And I in no way equate the goals of the NVA with Talibans – that’s just a steady reminder of the irrational nature of goals and geopolitics of American foreign affairs.
Thats never gonna happen, cause Israel is like family... but I think the steady stream of oil-based invasions/occupations would continue to play a role in that regard anyway... Israel or no Israel.
It is still worth a try; they can just prop up regimes like they do with disgusting saudi arabia.
Lexicus
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So what does this mean exactly? We have no plan, no strategy, for "winning" in Afghanistan. No clear path to achieving the goal of 'functioning government' or whatever it is. The regime we've set up there is so pathetically corrupt and incompetent that if we left the Taliban - the freakin' Taliban - would win by default.
The supporters of endless war apparently want our grandchildren to be still be occupying Afghanistan because that's what's going to end up happening if we don't recognize the reality that we screwed up and lost.
Lexicus
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It created a 'stab in the back legend' that much of the right still hasn't given up on today.
There are many that claim Reagan as a positive.
And that stab in the back theory really didn't gain any traction until we turned on the Kurds decades later.
If those are the worst you can come up with, it was worth it not expending any additional effort or loss of life.
And that stab in the back theory really didn't gain any traction until we turned on the Kurds decades later.
If those are the worst you can come up with, it was worth it not expending any additional effort or loss of life.
Timsup2nothin
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On the other hand, we did occupy Japan and Germany for generations and they turned out okay.
Lexicus
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There's no political will here for that kind of occupation with long-term institution-building (and, importantly, Marshall Plan investment). No plan for such a thing appears to be on the table for the Pentagon either.
I was being tongue-in-cheek, my view is that the Vietnam War was a crime bordering on genocide, so I don't care at all what damage withdrawing did to the US.
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