2020 US Election (Part One)

[zazazuzu]

I have definitely not read this entire thread. I'll just state my opinions about Trumps chances for re-election in 2020: He doesn't have a chance. The much hyped and discussed Trump 'base' didn't get Trump into the WH. What got him there was a relatively large number of undecideds who didn't like Hillary enough, and had no idea of just how bad a president Trump would be, joining with that 'base' to squeak him over the line and into the WH. The base turns out to be about 35 per cent of the American public who, as long as Democrats and 'libruls' are kept out of office, would be content with the United States becoming a vassal state of Russia. That 35 per cent is not enough to get him re-elected, because every deranged thing he does and says to solidify that base(which he doesn't even need to do, because they are happy to go over the cliff with him no matter what) only serves to get the vote out among his much vaster opposition.

 

[Imaus]

Why bring facts to a rant?

Besides, Mueller is the guy breaking down doors in the dark, not Trump.

J

What facts? Neither Mussolini nor Hitler made anything efficient or 'run on time'. Fascism is not efficient. Putting everything under the state or a few stamps away from being under the state, for the goal of glorifying, expanding, and honoring the state, the hierarchy, the bureaucracy, the government itself - is never efficient. From Spain to Romania, bar a few years of 'miracles', Fascism has always been a self-destructive, self-competitive, unproductive mess.

 

[downtown]

I have definitely not read this entire thread. I'll just state my opinions about Trumps chances for re-election in 2020: He doesn't have a chance. The much hyped and discussed Trump 'base' didn't get Trump into the WH. What got him there was a relatively large number of undecideds who didn't like Hillary enough, and had no idea of just how bad a president Trump would be, joining with that 'base' to squeak him over the line and into the WH. The base turns out to be about 35 per cent of the American public who, as long as Democrats and 'libruls' are kept out of office, would be content with the United States becoming a vassal state of Russia. That 35 per cent is not enough to get him re-elected, because every deranged thing he does and says to solidify that base(which he doesn't even need to do, because they are happy to go over the cliff with him no matter what) only serves to get the vote out among his much vaster opposition.

I think this is some pretty wishful thinking, sadly

 

[Lexicus]

Posting as onejayhawk is like picking one's nose: fun to do and it gets rid of the itch, but disgusting to anybody with any sense of decency who might be watching.

Tbh this comparison is shockingly unfair to nose-picking

 

[Takhisis]

Oh my, Lexicus, you're a naughty voyeur.

I think this is some pretty wishful thinking, sadly

Hmmm. It depends on how much they can suppress and depress the electorate, I think.

 

[onejayhawk]

I suggest that leaders cannot be identified as "competent, intelligent, thoughtful, and inspirational" except through an ideological framework. You respond by citing a demented white-collar criminal.

If you are fair-minded, you should be willing to acknowledge that Trump is competent, intelligent, and inspirational. Any quibbles are on the thoughtful and/or ideological.

Doesn't that seem to prove my point?

Just the opposite.

J

 

[Timsup2nothin]

If you are fair-minded, you should be willing to acknowledge that Trump is competent, intelligent, and inspirational.
J

Or he could just be a glaringly obvious shill and regurgitate idiotic nonsense as if it would somehow become convincing all of a sudden. But then he'd be you.

Moderator Action: That will be enough of the flaming for now, please. --LM
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[Lexicus]

I've changed my mind, I dearly hope Biden runs. Watching him defend his statements on Strom Thurmond to the Democratic primary electorate promises to be hilarious.

 

[rah]

It's kind of funny since when he was running with Obama, I used to always laugh at the stuff that came out of his mouth and considered him a clown or Obama assassination insurance. But four years later, I know which clown I'd prefer.

 

[Lexicus]

No doubt I'd prefer him over Trump but I just don't think he could win a Democratic primary. I can't see him maintaining strong support among black voters after a few campaign ads quoting him speaking at Strom Thurmond's funeral juxtaposed with some things Strom Thurmond did (like impregnating one of his parents' black maids, then spending the rest of his life refusing to acknowledge his black daughter).

 

[rah]

But would Obama stump for him?

 

[Timsup2nothin]

No doubt I'd prefer him over Trump but I just don't think he could win a Democratic primary. I can't see him maintaining strong support among black voters after a few campaign ads quoting him speaking at Strom Thurmond's funeral juxtaposed with some things Strom Thurmond did (like impregnating one of his parents' black maids, then spending the rest of his life refusing to acknowledge his black daughter).

People who weren't even born yet when Strom Thurmund died really aren't in a position to judge someone for speaking at his funeral...but of course that will never stop them from judging.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

But would Obama stump for him?

Obama is going to stump for whoever gets the nomination. That's a given at this point. And part of his speech is going to be "traditionally, former presidents don't do this, but Trump is such a singular affront to tradition and such an obvious disgrace to the office that I had to make this exception." Then people will say "What about you, GWBush? If Obama is out there campaigning why aren't you?" And Bush will have to say "well, he's right but I can't really campaign for the Democrats."

 

[Lexicus]

People who weren't even born yet when Strom Thurmund died really aren't in a position to judge someone for speaking at his funeral...but of course that will never stop them from judging.

No one who was born after he died will be old enough to vote in 2020, unless I'm doing the math wrong.

 

[rah]

Obama is going to stump for whoever gets the nomination.

So is that enough to get the blacks out in force to vote?

 

[Lexicus]

So is that enough to get the blacks out in force to vote?

It didn't seem to be for Hillary.

 

[Berzerker]

yeah, Biden's got baggage from the past, so does Sanders to a lesser degree

 

[Timsup2nothin]

No one who was born after he died will be old enough to vote in 2020, unless I'm doing the math wrong.

My bad. Probably should have gone with "became irrelevant" rather than "died."

It's just so similar to all the people who yap at me for having blindly participated in gross institutional racism when I was in high school. I mean, with everyone on Twitter pointing it out constantly, how could I not have seen it?

 

[rah]

It didn't seem to be for Hillary.

Fair, but will it really be the same. Many blacks probably assumed, like many others, that Hillary was going to win so they didn't have to vote.

Will people make the same mistake.

 

[Lexicus]

It's just so similar to all the people who yap at me for having blindly participated in gross institutional racism when I was in high school. I mean, with everyone on Twitter pointing it out constantly, how could I not have seen it?

Yeah, I mean after all there's no way Biden could have realized in 2003 that heaping effusive praise on one of the most prominent segregationists in the 20th century United States might be a bad idea.