2020 US Election (Part One)

[Zardnaar]

Main point is Berzerker is taking the side of a "journalist" who hangs around with gangs who attack people on the streets then complains when he gets attacked.

I've read about him, he's a tool but still shouldn't be assaulted.

This is why I don't go to protest marches. The odds of someone throwing bottles or whatever is a lot higher than not going.

 

[AmazonQueen]

I've read about him, he's a tool but still shouldn't be assaulted.

This is why I don't go to protest marches. The odds of someone throwing bottles or whatever is a lot higher than not going.

He shouldn't be assaulted but if he accompanies the Proud Boys when they assault others hes pretty much lost any grounds for sympathy.
I've been on lots of protest marches and never been assaulted (even by the police) but maybe I just don't hang out with violent thugs.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Main point is you shouldn't be assaulting journalist's or anyone really.

When people get attacked on the streets doesn't tend to end well.

Lie down with dogs, get up with fleas. Go marching with white supremacists, get the crap knocked out of you. These are fairly simple truisms.

 

[Gorbles]

Main point is you shouldn't be assaulting journalist's or anyone really.

When people get attacked on the streets doesn't tend to end well.

You also a) shouldn't be palling about with white nationalists b) spreading misinformation about cement in milkshakes as a "journalist" and c) lying about the people who attacked you for media attention.

But weirdly, there's no criticism of that behaviour from you or Berzerker. Weirdly.

 

[Camikaze]

Moderator Action: Please return to the topic of the 2020 election. If you wish to discuss Andy Ngo, you are welcome to create another thread to do so.

 

[caketastydelish]

I thought this was interesting, just going to leave it here:

 

[Zardnaar]

I thought this was interesting, just going to leave it here:

His key system seems as good as any.

The Democratic candidate only really matters if they're charismatic or inspirational. Rules out most of the top ones.

 

[caketastydelish]

Joe Biden is a “play not to lose” in the same Hillary was and he would likely lose that way too.

 

[Kyriakos]

So, why is faking (black) endorsements not an issue?

Apparently none of the three core people endorsed Pete, and of the other 400 supposed black people signing this half were white. Also one of the main names who supposedly supported Black Pete (Christmas coming, so I have to mention dutch Swarte-Piet ) was openly and officially endorsing Bernie.
It seems the media don't care, busy as they are to fake-build up Pete as a serious contender in the primaries.

 

[Zardnaar]

So, why is faking (black) endorsements not an issue?

Apparently none of the three core people endorsed Pete, and of the other 400 supposed black people signing this half were white. Also one of the main names who supposedly supported Black Pete (Christmas coming, so I have to mention dutch Swarte-Piet ) was openly and officially endorsing Bernie.
It seems the media don't care, busy as they are to fake-build up Pete as a serious contender in the primaries.

Pete's doing very well in one if the early states, might even win it.

If Biden (when?) craters he can pick up center votes while being fresh faced for left wing votes.

Recent Democratic gains in 2018 and in places like Kentucky 2019 are by moderates so it's perceived that's the way to win a general election.

They need to win more votes in the mid west and red/purple states to win. Getting more votes in California and New York doesn't really help them.

Win suburbs win 2020. There's no liberal Senate seats left to pick up either.

 

[Estebonrober]

So, why is faking (black) endorsements not an issue?

Apparently none of the three core people endorsed Pete, and of the other 400 supposed black people signing this half were white. Also one of the main names who supposedly supported Black Pete (Christmas coming, so I have to mention dutch Swarte-Piet ) was openly and officially endorsing Bernie.
It seems the media don't care, busy as they are to fake-build up Pete as a serious contender in the primaries.

Pete's doing very well in one if the early states, might even win it.

If Biden (when?) craters he can pick up center votes while being fresh faced for left wing votes.

Recent Democratic gains in 2018 and in places like Kentucky 2019 are by moderates so it's perceived that's the way to win a general election.

They need to win more votes in the mid west and red/purple states to win. Getting more votes in California and New York doesn't really help them.

Win suburbs win 2020. There's no liberal Senate seats left to pick up either.

As soon as an opponent hits him with the "I'm not asking for your vote" ad he will die.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mayor-...ives-matter-confront-2020-democratic-hopeful/

 

[Camikaze]

It's curious Buttigieg hasn't drawn more direct attacks, but perhaps it's just a tactical decision that going after him in a debate is less 'fish in a barrel' than attacking e.g. Biden or the bogeyman 'left'. Debate attacks can be a high risk strategy if you come off worse in the exchange (see Gabbard's ever decreasing popularity, or Tim Ryan's weak efforts in the earlier debates). Buttigieg has been a pretty consistent debate performer so wouldn't be a guaranteed soft target, even with good ammunition. It's probably more likely that he would be targeted in ads than debates.

 

[Kyriakos]

Doesn't matter much how he is attacked, when it is obvious he doesn't have the minority support to win against Trump.

 

[Lexicus]

It's curious Buttigieg hasn't drawn more direct attacks, but perhaps it's just a tactical decision that going after him in a debate is less 'fish in a barrel' than attacking e.g. Biden or the bogeyman 'left'. Debate attacks can be a high risk strategy if you come off worse in the exchange (see Gabbard's ever decreasing popularity, or Tim Ryan's weak efforts in the earlier debates). Buttigieg has been a pretty consistent debate performer so wouldn't be a guaranteed soft target, even with good ammunition. It's probably more likely that he would be targeted in ads than debates.

I'd guess the calculus is kind of, focusing on him would make him seem more of a force than he really is, but to my enormous dismay he's apparently ahead in some of the polls now...

 

[Kyriakos]

I'd guess the calculus is kind of, focusing on him would make him seem more of a force than he really is, but to my enormous dismay he's apparently ahead in some of the polls now...

I think it is a bad time for this type of polling, due to the media clearly having hyped Butti. Let's just see what happens in the actual primaries.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

It's curious Buttigieg hasn't drawn more direct attacks, but perhaps it's just a tactical decision that going after him in a debate is less 'fish in a barrel' than attacking e.g. Biden or the bogeyman 'left'. Debate attacks can be a high risk strategy if you come off worse in the exchange (see Gabbard's ever decreasing popularity, or Tim Ryan's weak efforts in the earlier debates). Buttigieg has been a pretty consistent debate performer so wouldn't be a guaranteed soft target, even with good ammunition. It's probably more likely that he would be targeted in ads than debates.

Swalwell also made the entirety of his first debate performance about attacking Joe Biden and it ended his campaign. It is hard to attack someone and not look like a jerk yourself.

 

[Lexicus]

Does anyone else find it amusing that "Uncle Joe" is also how the Western Allies branded Stalin for propaganda purposes during WW2?

 

[Takhisis]

 

[Azem.Ocram]

Pete's doing very well in one if the early states, might even win it.

If Biden (when?) craters he can pick up center votes while being fresh faced for left wing votes.

Recent Democratic gains in 2018 and in places like Kentucky 2019 are by moderates so it's perceived that's the way to win a general election.

They need to win more votes in the mid west and red/purple states to win. Getting more votes in California and New York doesn't really help them.

Win suburbs win 2020. There's no liberal Senate seats left to pick up either.

Pete is doing well on “his turf.” Hell, Jay Inslee could have won Washington State’s delegates. Good thing he dropped out, he was splitting votes from Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren (indirectly helping old Joe Biden).

Warren’s current position is “Sanders lite” and she has more backing by the DNC than Sanders.

Moderates have been proven to be a shrinking demographic as The D’ump has radicalized his base.

Sanders is authentic and appeals to the working class. Biden appeals more to moderate, wealthy, white suburbanites.

 

[Takhisis]

Moderates have been proven to be a shrinking demographic as The D’ump has radicalized his base.

That's on one end of the spectrum. But there's another two phenomena at play, I think. One is that the radical shift of the Overton window that has been propitiated by the candidacies of Ronald Reagan, Newt Gingrich, GWB, Sarah Palin, etc. that have resulted in Trump suddenly becoming acceptable mean that people who haven't shifted their positions are now ‘left’ or even ‘far left’, even people such as the Clintons and Obama.
The second is that there's also people moving leftwards because there's growing awareness that we are ticking off boxes and reaching tipping points for causing demographic, environmental and political disasters of a scale that hasn't been seen in generations.