2020 US Election (Part One)

[Berzerker]

and thus it begins

fwiw its all nonsense and a strong sign of bloombergs despair

I hope you're right... Bernie might survive his Castro/Ortega luv but this enters the realm of weird

 

[Estebonrober]

I hope you're right... Bernie might survive his Castro/Ortega luv but this enters the realm of weird

Oh its definitely weird but its also misquoted and taken out of context. Its still weird buts its not as bad as it sounds, read the source article. Its from Mother Jones in 2015. So yea its been part of the Hillary opp research done on Sanders before this cycle.

 

[Takhisis]

But Berzerker opposes Hillary! Everything she and her emails do is bad!

 

[Berzerker]

Why am I not surprised she was originally behind this?

And you guys voted for her?

 

[Kyriakos]

Changing the tune?

Matthews also had to apologize for his dumb parallelism of Bernie's win in Nevada to the nazi germans defeating France. That is the second apology by Matthews in two weeks. I have to suppose he will have another of his moments soon - and then his handlers would order another honest apology.

 

[Hrothbern]

A statement by John F. Harris, a founder editor of Politico, who is not happy with Sanders.
"the urgent challenges facing Democrats or the broader country right now"

Sanders especially presented himself in a way that offered a clear picture for all sides to judge. He had ample opportunity to state his larger case: Opponents call him radical but, in fact, his ideas on health care and climate change and a less militarized foreign policy are sensible and popular. Opponents could also cite his own words to show that he is what they say he is: An ideologue whose worldview is shaped by decades-old doctrinal disputes that have little to do with the urgent challenges facing Democrats or the broader country right now.
https://www.politico.eu/article/democrats-needed-a-good-debate-but-got-a-bad-one/

My question:
what could be these urgent challenges he aims at ???
He does not explain that in his article, which covers only some rhetorics-tactics etc between candidates.

In that respect I only see one challenge and that is to win from Trump.

But what on earth is for some centre Democrat in terms of political program and content urgent and important and differing from health care and climate ?

For left of the centre I can add a whole list of urgent challenges... but I guess that is not what Harris is aiming at.


Is there in fact anything there in terms of political content for the Democratic centre ?

 

[Kyriakos]

A statement by John F. Harris, a founder editor of Politico, who is not happy with Sanders.
"the urgent challenges facing Democrats or the broader country right now"



My question:
what could be these urgent challenges he aims at ???
He does not explain that in his article, which covers only some rhetorics-tactics etc between candidates.

In that respect I only see one challenge and that is to win from Trump.

But what on earth is for some centre Democrat in terms of political program and content urgent and important and differing from health care and climate ?

For left of the centre I can add a whole list of urgent challenges... but I guess that is not what Harris is aiming at.


Is there in fact anything there in terms of political content for the Democratic centre ?

This is set to continue for a little while, but Sanders likely will outright win SC too (which a while ago was supposed to be a +20 points Biden state), and come ST it will be over.

 

[Hrothbern]

This is set to continue for a little while, but Sanders likely will outright win SC too (which a while ago was supposed to be a +20 points Biden state), and come ST it will be over.

well yes
aimed at the match.. at the win..
we discuss results, polls, forecasts, estimates, hopes, etc

but where is the content of the centre democrats ?

So far the only thing I can discern is: "not Trump" & "not Sanders"
But that is a negative formulation
not a positive describing what you want... what direction...

 

[Kyriakos]

but where is the content of the centre democrats ?

Lifestyle politicians have content?

 

[Hrothbern]

Lifestyle politicians have content?

that's what it looks like indeed

ad hoc driftwood


With all the emancipation behind us it looks more like a traditional family of the 50ies where Papa Trump is beating the children and Mama centre Democrats say only "don't beat so hard"

 

[Zardnaar]

that's what it looks like indeed

ad hoc driftwood


With all the emancipation behind us it looks more like a traditional family of the 50ies where Papa Trump is beating the children and Mama centre Democrats say only "don't beat so hard"

80s. At primary school corporal punishment was legal in NZ until 1986. High school had 6 of the best with the cane. Boys only though.

Discipline at home involved jug cords, wooden spoons, leather belts. I got it easy compared to a lot only got the leather strap once.

Unlucky kids were full on beaten including closed fists to the face. Or leather strap to face. It wasn't illegal to rape your wife until mid 80s either.

Parents got it worse, they got strikes to the face from parents and cane at primary school including the girls. Grandmother's funeral wasn't that sad her son's didn't get upset and mum was only a little upset.

 

[Kyriakos]

Agreed, because it's an OLD joke that has run through politics for decades. Been out of fashion for a while, because the premise is that voters are gullible hicks, and the day when voters were able to laugh at themselves are long past. Modern voters are so sure they are god's gift to democracy that only kissing their asses is allowed.

Here's the clip, man:

Biden doesn't say "if you don't like me, vote for the other Biden" (which would be stupid and bizarre itself). He says "if you don't like me vote for the other bi" (I assume he meant to say "vote for the other guy").
He just forgot he was vice president or that he was running for president, or both, and introduced himself as running for the US senate. He is senile, is all.

 

[Arakhor]

Moderator Action: Please keep videos brief and to the point. No one wants to view minutes of video just to see "a clip".

 

[Ironsided]

If you could make it possible to embed a video staring at a certain time into the video the way the YouTube api certainly allows for - that would be great.

 

[Arakhor]

Questions about forum upgrades should go in Site Feedback. Thanks.

 

[Kyriakos]

Questions about forum upgrades should go in Site Feedback. Thanks.

It is an 8 minute video. If that is too much for anyone interested in hearing the clip just discussed in two pages of this thread, I think you should also vote for the other bi

 

[Ironsided]

Fat broads for Bloomberg!

 

[Socrates99]

that's what it looks like indeed

ad hoc driftwood


With all the emancipation behind us it looks more like a traditional family of the 50ies where Papa Trump is beating the children and Mama centre Democrats say only "don't beat so hard"

The Centrists used to claim to be for many of Bernie's "extreme" ideas. Bill Clinton had a UHC plan. Obama called the ACA a step towards universal healthcare. They just always seemed to come up short, possibly by design. It's just lip service to appease the left wing of the party.

Having someone who really supports a left wing agenda exposes those centrists as the empty suits they are. We saw in real time during this election cycle how donor money changes people's minds with Kamala and Buttigieg. At the very beginning of their campaigns they both supported M4ALL. Then walked it back. Now Pete's one of the most virulent opponents of the policy.

Naked corruption.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

The Centrists used to claim to be for many of Bernie's "extreme" ideas. Bill Clinton had a UHC plan. Obama called the ACA a step towards universal healthcare. They just always seemed to come up short, possibly by design. It's just lip service to appease the left wing of the party.

Having someone who really supports a left wing agenda exposes those centrists as the empty suits they are. We saw in real time during this election cycle how donor money changes people's minds with Kamala and Buttigieg. At the very beginning of their campaigns they both supported M4ALL. Then walked it back. Now Pete's one of the most virulent opponents of the policy.

Naked corruption.

They prefer profits over people.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Plently, but that's due to a bloated military anyway over these last two decades churning out new fabricae everywhere.

I'm going to be callous. Industries rise and fall. Industries peeter out and die. And any industry based on the production of weapons of war - those are the ones that especially should be looking for a second gig at anytime.

And any democrat worth my vote is a democrat who will focus on keeping the economy going and produce alternative industries, alternative jobs, as well as a military cutter.

It's really time for all of this to be reigned in and tied down.

Great, and I'm glad you found someone worthy of your one vote, and that you understand why in a valley where there are about three hundred thousand votes at stake such a position wouldn't draw any. I'm also glad you support democracy, though I think it is unlikely to work out well for you if you insist that your preferred candidate just run around rejecting votes in large blocks.