2020 US Election (Part One)

[Cloud_Strife]

Because transphobia is not our biggest problem? For you it is important, but it is small potatoes when compared to the wreckage Trump is causing with everything he touches. A democratic House and President is unlikely to make your situation worse.

The implication being that exact argument could be made in regards to racism or discrimination against any other sectors of society.

Sorry non-white people, your problems just don't matter enough to not elect a man who thinks you're inherently criminal

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Progress for whom? Not for the non-rich, i can assure you.

You don't think health care reform is progress for the non-rich? You don't think getting back into international cooperation on climate change is progress for the no-rich?

@IglooDude wants no progress, and clearly recognized that choice B was the way to get it.

The GOP knows that the damage they have caused continues unless action is taken to end it, so deadlocks work for them. They are still letting the damage initiated by Reagan run, and adding to it when they can.

 

[Birdjaguar]

The implication being that exact argument could be made in regards to racism or discrimination against any other sectors of society.

Sorry non-white people, your problems just don't matter enough to not elect a man who thinks you're inherently criminal

Who benefits when you don't vote? Trump, Republicans, Moscow Mitch, hate, bigotry,

Who doesn't benefit from you not voting? You don't. Progressives don't, Trans people don't, brown people don't, poor people don't.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Except under your paradigm and with a bloomberg presidency, Trans, Brown and poor people don't benefit either, because unlike you've I'm not willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

 

[IglooDame]

You don't think health care reform is progress for the non-rich? You don't think getting back into international cooperation on climate change is progress for the no-rich?

@IglooDude wants no progress, and clearly recognized that choice B was the way to get it.

The GOP knows that the damage they have caused continues unless action is taken to end it, so deadlocks work for them. They are still letting the damage initiated by Reagan run, and adding to it when they can.

Actually... I do want progress on health care reform, climate change cooperation, and some other stuff. But unfortunately both parties try harder to be more statist and entrenched than they do to move forward with policies that I prefer. Remember when you could count on Republicans to be fiscal conservatives? Remember how Democrats used to be hardcore defenders of civil rights? I'll take either of those over either party today.

 

[Birdjaguar]

Except under your paradigm and with a bloomberg presidency, Trans, Brown and poor people don't benefit either, because unlike you've I'm not willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Again, you don't know that. He might well sign DACA reforms that help them. Bloomberg also support an increase in income taxes on the wealthy. He will work with Pelosi.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Remember when you could count on Republicans to be fiscal conservatives?

Well, yeah. I have since found out though that they were in fact lying and weren't actually ever fiscal conservatives. They have, in fact, always been about diverting public funds into a few private pockets at ever increasing rates. Whether it has shown up as ballooning debt or as tax increases on the poor, rapid escalation of government spending has been a hallmark of every GOP administration for decades.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Again, you don't know that. He might well sign DACA reforms that help them. Bloomberg also support an increase in income taxes on the wealthy. He will work with Pelosi.

I'm going to try to be diplomatic and choose my words carefully here; I think you are being incredibly naive.

 

[Birdjaguar]

I certainly take no offense.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

I think "Bloomberg wins as Democrat, refuses to work with congressional Democrats" is pretty farfetched.

 

[Lexicus]

Remember when you could count on Republicans to be fiscal conservatives?

no

 

[Kyriakos]

The goal is to win the election. Nothing else is of consequence. The ticket needs to be one that will draw in the most new voters and the most independent voters.

I am sure you'd have voted for Trump if he run with the dem party. The goal, after all, is to win the election

Only it's not. You aren't the DNC. If you elect someone who will have ruinous policies, it won't matter if he is dem or republican.

 

[GoodEnoughForMe]

Why do we even assume Biden = down ticket success? Democrats just got completely and utterly leveled downballot during Obama. They've never recovered really.

 

[Kyriakos]

Why do we even assume Biden = down ticket success? Democrats just got completely and utterly leveled downballot during Obama. They've never recovered really.

It is funny, and sad. Biden is senile. Bloomberg is an oligarchic thug. And somehow you still get out of touch fanbois for them. Reality though is that they are impossible to elect, cause the vast majority of Bernie voters wouldn't vote for them. So in essence you have the DNC saying as loud as it can that "priority #1 is to stop Bernie, and four more years of Trump are preferable to Bernie".

 

[Birdjaguar]

I am sure you'd have voted for Trump if he run with the dem party. The goal, after all, is to win the election

Only it's not. You aren't the DNC. If you elect someone who will have ruinous policies, it won't matter if he is dem or republican.

Sorry, your hypothetical is a poor one. the goal is to get the Reps & Trump out of power. What other goal is meaningful at this point?

 

[Kyriakos]

Sorry, your hypothetical is a poor one. the goal is to get the Reps & Trump out of power. What other goal is meaningful at this point?

Just reminding you that Trump could have been running for the dems, and the line would be "anyone is better than republican potus Bloomberg; Trump> Bernie".
Also, you still don't realize (or do you?) that if Bernie has a plurality and is pushed over, the election will 100% be lost before the votes are cast. So does that factor at all in your mind, or is it just the usual "four more years of Trump>Bernie as potus"?

 

[Birdjaguar]

Why do we even assume Biden = down ticket success? Democrats just got completely and utterly leveled downballot during Obama. They've never recovered really.

I don't think it has been discussed. Most of the talk this morning has been specifically about Bloomberg.

Just reminding you that Trump could have been running for the dems, and the line would be "anyone is better than republican potus Bloomberg; Trump> Bernie".
Also, you still don't realize (or do you?) that if Bernie has a plurality and is pushed over, the election will 100% be lost before the votes are cast. So does that factor at all in your mind, or is it just the usual "four more years of Trump>Bernie as potus"?

Shoulda coulda woulda. Not what we face today and doesn't matter.

Bernie might get bounced by the DNC. I cannot have much of an impact on that other than my vote in the NM primary which is way late. I'm not against Bernie other than he, like all the others, is too old. Dems need a strong young VP on the ticket.

Are you saying that if Bernie is not selected, November is lost?

 

[Kyriakos]

Are you saying that if Bernie is not selected, November is lost?

If Bern has a plurality, but isn't the nominee, yes I think it is pretty safe to say the election is lost to Trump.

 

[Birdjaguar]

If Bern has a plurality, but isn't the nominee, yes I think it is pretty safe to say the election is lost to Trump.

If the millennials are too self centered and ignorant about the consequences of their not voting, you are probably right. If Bernie is not nominated, he should be the first to get out and campaign for the nominee. If he doesn't do that at the convention, then he is useless fraud. That applies to Biden and Bloomberg too.

 

[IglooDame]

If the millennials are too self centered and ignorant about the consequences of their not voting, you are probably right. If Bernie is not nominated, he should be the first to get out and campaign for the nominee. If he doesn't do that at the convention, then he is useless fraud. That applies to Biden and Bloomberg too.

Well, what'd he do in 2016 after Hillary got the nomination?