2020 US Election (Part One)

[Timsup2nothin]

This would appear to carry a large pandemic shaped asterisk

In that the panic over the "large pandemic" may well lead to a severe economic downturn, absolutely.

 

[Kyriakos]

You can't have a small pandemic. Pan means "all-encompassing"

 

[Arwon]

In that the panic over the "large pandemic" may well lead to a severe economic downturn, absolutely.

More the impact on activity and trade once it gets widespread. All that self isolation, lost work hours, cancelled events, lower tourism and consumption, and supply chain impacts. It's expected to cause a recession here. "Large pandemic shaped asterisk" should be read as "large asterisk which is pandemic shaped" btw. Apologies for the ambiguous sentence structure, it's very early here.

 

[Berzerker]

Notice Clinton got re-elected...and so did the GOP majority in the house. I'm not sure the people who voted to put a lid on Trump in 2018 are satisfied with that lid, so I'm confident they are looking to do a better job of it by kicking him out...but they might tip the house back to the GOP at the same time if the GOP can convince them an unfettered Democrat is dangerous.

RussiaGate was still going strong... You know, that debunked conspiracy theory the Dems had been pushing. Mueller and Horowitz (and soon Durham will join them pissing on the Dems parade) blew that BS out of the water. But I agree with you about Bernie, he presents another set of problems but one of them aint lacking the moral high ground.

LOL...sure man. Lemme know when the next meeting of "internet trolls for a higher morality" is scheduled.

Providing mirrors to Pharisees is a higher morality, so saith the Lord

 

[IglooDame]

Thats not a plus in his favor, the reason Trump and Bernie have support is people are tired of 'the system'.

Wanna do pushups, Fat?

Thats pathetically narcissistic too... Cant claim the moral high ground with someone sharing so many flaws with their opponent.

Well, now people are more tired of the Trump System.

And really, don't insult our collective intelligence by proposing that one or two examples like that of Biden make him even vaguely equal to Trump, who is in a different league just based on his hair, tan, and continuous push to have underlings talk about how awesome he is.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

More the impact on activity and trade once it gets widespread. All that self isolation, lost work hours, cancelled events, lower tourism and consumption, and supply chain impacts. It's expected to cause a recession here. "Large pandemic shaped asterisk" should be read as "large asterisk which is pandemic shaped" btw. Apologies for the ambiguous sentence structure, it's very early here.

I personally think that the impact on activity and trade is a result of panic more than pandemic, but either way the result is the same, so yeah.

And really, don't insult our collective intelligence...

If you think you can make him change his primary purpose for being here I wish you luck, but don't hold out any hope.

 

[Arwon]

I personally think that the impact on activity and trade is a result of panic more than pandemic, but either way the result is the same, so yeah.

I mean, so far. We aren't quite at the widespread and uncontrolled community transmission stage yet.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

I mean, so far. We aren't quite at the widespread and uncontrolled community transmission stage yet.

Maybe we are, actually. People are starting to figure out that people who died "of the flue" a month ago actually did have it but were never tested. It is distinctly possible that it already is far more widespread than we thought, but that the lack of severity in a large number of cases has had them going unreported. That data on previously unreported cases of little consequence will lower the calculated mortality rate, and we might very well be looking at "meh, a little worse than the usual flu, sorry for all the excitement and economic damage."

 

[Lexicus]

This would appear to carry a large pandemic shaped asterisk

Yeah, we'll see about that...them damn immigants bringing disease...

Well, given that I live in a district that split for Clinton but sent a GOP congressman to congress in 2016 there are apparently enough people splitting their ticket to make a difference, eh?

To which party controls Congress? Highly doubt it.

If I recall, the retort was "he'll get more presidential once he's on the job".

Come on. Even the people who told themselves that didn't believe it.

 

[Ironsided]

A Biden nom will supress a lot of the new voters rallied by Sanders campaign and whom would not be politically involved otherwise. They are a sizable part of his base. Many first-time voters, young voters, minorities, working class, unemployed. They will not split any votes, they will vote dem all the way for Bernie because they are not interested in your silly political strategy games. They want their human rights to a meaningful existence. They know and have a 30-year history to prove it that Biden and the neoliberal corporate dems do precisely as much for them as neoliberal Trump does.

Biden is basically a slightly more palatable Hillary but with dementia and an inability to speak coherently. A big reason we see a bump for Biden (outside the big win in SC) is he has not been the frontrunner lately and has not had to answer questions to the same degree. Speaking is important in debates. And (however unlikely the event) as president. Biden can’t speak.

Imagine a general election with Trump and Biden. If it wasn’t so sad and dangerous it would be the most comical end to Americas reputation as a world leader, well, what’s left of it. It’ll be worse than Yeltsin drunk with Clinton conducting the orchestra. Russia finally gets its revenge.

 

[Birdjaguar]

A Biden nom will supress a lot of the new voters rallied by Sanders campaign and whom would not be politically involved otherwise. They are a sizable part of his base. Many first-time voters, young voters, minorities, working class, unemployed. They will not split any votes, they will vote dem all the way for Bernie because they are not interested in your silly political strategy games. They want their human rights to a meaningful existence. They know and have a 30-year history to prove it that Biden and the neoliberal corporate dems do precisely as much for them as neoliberal Trump does.

And a pox on them for their selfishness if they don't vote. They are the ones who will have to live with the destruction that Trump is causing.

 

[Ironsided]

So, they must live with and vote for the destruction Biden will be causing?

 

[Timsup2nothin]

So, they must live with and vote for the destruction Biden will be causing?

If they genuinely think there is no difference between Trumpists and Democrats they fall in that broad category "too stupid to matter."

 

[Ironsided]

A basket of deplorables, no doubt!?

 

[Arwon]

Man that VP spot is gonna be important if Biden gets up

 

[Birdjaguar]

So, they must live with and vote for the destruction Biden will be causing?

I'm glad you can foretell the future. What is the legislation he is going to sign?

 

[Ironsided]

You are the one doing the predictions about their future under Biden vs Trump, not me. I suppose they’ll just leave it be and go on their usual ways.

 

[Birdjaguar]

So, they must live with and vote for the destruction Biden will be causing?

You are the one doing the predictions about their future under Biden vs Trump, not me. I suppose they’ll just leave it be and go on their usual ways.

You should read your posts. The top post does seem like a prediction to me.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

To which party controls Congress? Highly doubt it.

I would swear that in 2018 there was a simple chart showing that all the Dems needed to control the House were wins in the GOP districts that Hillary had carried in 2016. They won a bunch beyond those, but that would have been enough.

 

[Ironsided]

@BJ The prediction about many new Bernie voters not voting for Biden? That is not a prediction about actual legislation. You made that prediction favourable for Biden, accused me of making that prediction and asked me to back it up. Are you perchance employed with MSNBC?