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Of course it isn't. Any grounding in reality would be unheard of when it comes to UK politicians and Brexit.
Brexit Thread V - The Final Countdown?!?
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innonimatu
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The reality has been clear for a while now. I pointed it out: no agreement means exiting without any deal. We shall see but judging from the content of these amendments that is still where things are headed. Unless the EU gives in and effectively pulls the backstop.
Lack of grounding in reality was abundantly in display here a few weeks ago.
Yes, that is where I guesses it had come from after a very simple search, hence my comment. Strange no one else got it. Symptomatic too, I'm afraid, of how bloody uninformed comments are. Not an important question and all that, sure, going a bit off-topic was more interesting I guess.
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Indeed. I appreciated that, never mind the subsequent somewhat dubious sentiment.
In this day and age particularly, bloody knowing stuff surely deserves credit.
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60 days until Brexit.
60 days until Brexit.
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Indeed. I appreciated that, never mind the subsequent somewhat dubious sentiment.
In this day and age particularly, bloody knowing stuff surely deserves credit.
But sorry, I will say it was a war crime. Unfortunately he winners always get to staff the war crimes courts. Dictate their interpretation of "international law" in which they are never to blame for anything. (which is why I am wary of the entire concept)
Delay Brexit: how? when?
Change backstop: do the English realise that Ireland now has this thing called ‘agency’?
Rule out no-deal: how can you do that unless you have a deal?
Weekly vote on Brexit: sounds utterly democratic, except that Parliament isn't much representative of the electorate.
Yeah
Nothing much happened the last three years
Nothing much happened last week when May re-introduced her plan A as plan B
Nothing much is going to happen tomorrow
But there is hope something is going to happen this week
May is going to Brussels
Not sure yet though what is going to happen
Usually she returns and then it is nice to read the tabloids on that humiliation
And sometimes some Minister feels inclined to talk about the Soviet-Union.
Another week beats the dust
On 1 & 3 it would be intended to force the government to either ask the EU to postpone exit or withdraw Article 50
2 is a nonsense, May seems to hope it will convince the EU to drop/weaken the backstop which I can't see happening. Rees-Mogg has said he still won't support May's deal even if it is passed and Boris has been making triumphialist anti-EU noises so even if the EU was secretly desperate for a deal on any terms they know it will just be a humiliation for nothing.
Is Parliament less representative of the people than May's minority government?
I don't see what else backbenchers can do. With May still more worried about holding her government together than actually avoiding no deal and Corbyn seemingly content to let no deal go ahead and hope it will be a disaster that lets him into power they certainly aren't getting any leadership.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/whodoyouthinkyouare/new-stories/boris-johnson/how-we-did-it_2.shtml
As if he wasn't egotistical enough already.
Not seeing even the eu accepting a delay unless you throw a new ref in. And not seeing how that is possible.
The brit parliament messed this up completely; with considerable bait by the autonomous (lol) ecj, of course.
Maybe time to think how the future will look with this sort of explosive division.
The brit parliament messed this up completely; with considerable bait by the autonomous (lol) ecj, of course.
Maybe time to think how the future will look with this sort of explosive division.
I think that May et al are still believing that the threat to the EU of a no-deal will be effective.
and that the Johnson/Rees-Mogg faction still aims at creating max distraction and confusion for the ..... oops... we missed the train... no deal accident.
The Parliament has had now two weeks since that historic vote on May's deal, could have seen that coming 7 weeks ago.... and talks since weeks in a Babylonian confusion about cross-party initiatives, with May and Corbyn holding back and disabling that cross-party at the same moment.
All four amendments have more to do with self-expression than really taking a lead, forcing a direction. It's all directionless being against something.
I can understand the small step manoeuvring with first a delay, then what kind of reason, then the duration of the delay. But the real question is whether it is a delay to have more time for a miracle, a delay for more domestic bargaining time, a delay for new elections or a delay for a referendum. And if getting just enough votes for "a delay" is already difficult, why bother to do it when after that vote, those votes split up in all those directions ?
The paralising effect on the MP's from their two leaders is too big. You get only new bee queens when the old one is dead.
If you look at the last vote of the Parliament, yesterday, on Free Movement. The cabinet a proposal to restrict it reegardless further negotiation developments. Corbyn did not bother to whip his MP's against it. As soon as that was known, he got a social media rebellion and made the U-turn to whip the MP's to vote against the motion. But... he did not whip them to be present at the vote, and half the Labour MP's did not show up.
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...mbarrassing-u-turn-over-immigration-bill-vote
Let's face it:
both leaders are against EU immigrants, both leaders have already happily spend in their "budgets" the yearly EU contribution, both leaders want their party, as they believe they should be, to survive the mess.
And the EU never saw coming that May and Westminster would be like Cameron, and would all out gamble with that accident no-deal.
And more and more politicians in EU countries (not only in Brussels) losing faith in Westminster as a reliable and stable partner
So yes... from the political visible turmoil, drifting to a hard no-deal Brexit.
The odd thing though is that the currency speculants still believe Hammond that a deal will come.
(the GBP moved up steadily the day after that historical loss vote on May's deal on Jan 15 to 6% higher compared to the $)
We are, I think, still in nothing really happens showdown time.
But perhaps that is optimistic, and we are no longer in a game of chicken, but just a chicken coop with fluttering chickens.
Rees-Mogg the fox ?
It remains to be seen what will happen when May's attempt to renege what she had agreed to fails if she opts for no deal. Will Hammond, Rudd et al do what they've hinting at and resign? Is it already too late for it to matter?
I agree. Even if somehow the UK remained or negotiated some sort of deal theres no basis for trust left. We've already lost the credibility we had some countries like Denmark that were more sympathetic to the UK viewpoint. Its just damage limitation now.
I would guess that the lessened trust is mainly in the current crew of Westminster.
If I ignore the cynical clowns like Johnson, Rees-Mogg, David Davis, etc... if I ignore the broader picture of so many fringe right wing thinktanks with their current influence... the current confidence of these international bunches...
there are still the incompetent like May, like Corbyn, like that LibDem hat Vince Cable, so many others... and there are really weird people like Jeremy Hunt.
But likely they will all have gone in another 10 years. Every country has now and then a wave of bad luck.
I think the distrust across the channel, among well informed high ranking politicians in countries, is about NOW. How to mitigate the mess.
And for most of the people living in the EU, the theatre in Westminster is like that Trump theatre in the US. Something odd and likely to blow over.
And with 28 or 27 EU members, likely always 2 or 3 going derailed for a while.
It will not stop Germans since the 60ies, and some other northern EU countries joining in over time, to look/broadcast on TV, every Year-end evening this in the UK not so well known little film about upstairs in traditional Britain. Called "Dinner for one", but mostly remembered as "The same procedure as last year":
Ordinary people's impressions are too deeply anchored in all kinds of popular British TV series to get really disturbed by the current folly.
From oldies like Dr Who, Coronation Street, Man about the House, Onedin line, Upstairs Downstairs, Dad's Army, Allo Allo, Keeping up Appearances, It Ain't Half Hot Mum, the Peaky Blinders, etc. The enormous amount of British detectives endlessly repeated like Miss Marple, Poirot, Father Brown, Sherlock, Inspector Morse, Luther, A Touch of Frost, etc, etc. Fantastic movies and BBC documentaries.
So many more.
And do notice that, with few exceptions, these British TV series are about ordinary people, living their ordinary lives. No big wars, no national greatness, no rhetorics, just people.
If I think about Britain, it is primarily about lovely people helping me when I had questions. Offering tea when I just wanted a dry place to look at the map while bicycling through England. The hills of Wales with the winding roads going up and down while the tyres of my bicycle draw furrows in the overheated new asphalt roads during the summer of 1976. Beautifull Tudor brickwork... so much more.
No chance at all that the current crew at Westminster can wipe out that impression we have from Brits.
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Broken_Erika
Play with me.
and 58 days until May allows a vote on her final deal.
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The strangest thing when listening to the UK House of Commons debate, is how arrogantly superior they consider themselves and their position...
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