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Clown Car IV: The Dotard and Dunce Parade

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by hobbsyoyo, Jan 3, 2019.

  1. Ajidica

    Ajidica High Quality Person

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    Contrary to what you may think of me, I do not have a perfect memory of legal documents I read a while ago. I could go through it all again, but frankly, my experience with you and jay has been that if I do go through it line by line, you will either respond with something irrelevant or never bother responding but a week or two later you will keep posting the same stuff.
    At least Old_Hippy has a basic knowledge of the Wright Affair and (I think) 'Clockwork Orange'.
     
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  2. Takhisis

    Takhisis is it fall yet

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    No, they'll claim they will answer it in the appropriate thread, which is always another one.
     
  3. Old Hippy

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    and I assume you have read 'Fahrenheit 451' and '1984' :)
     
  4. Birdjaguar

    Birdjaguar Hanafubuki Retired Moderator Supporter

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    From page 23: the pdf won't let me copy/paste :( It says that source 1 (likely Steele) was hired by a business associate of the law firm that was connected to HRC campaign. According to the FBI, the dossier was given to the associate and to the FBI and the associate passed it to the law firm which hired him in the first place. They also concluded that Steele did not pass the info to the press.
     
  5. FriendlyFire

    FriendlyFire Codex WMDicanious

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    Its funny because the FBI caught a foreign agent inside the Trump administration and another inside the NRA.
    As for Carter page I suspect that this is the norm for FISA warrants. I believe it was Nunes that put on a political show over Fisa warrant process and then just voted to renew FISA law without making any changes or safeguards.
     
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  6. Takhisis

    Takhisis is it fall yet

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    :agree:

    And Mueller has no proof of anything even if people have plead guilty rather than contest his charges.
     
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  8. Takhisis

    Takhisis is it fall yet

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    War is Peace
    Get Fox to issue the two minutes of soma.
     
  9. onejayhawk

    onejayhawk Afflicted with reason

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    Flesh this out please, because the dossier was at least in part fabricated. The author does not even try to deny it. As to the other, be serious. It may not be the whole application but it occupies a central place.

    On the side, the application states that the FBI believed Page was a spy. Yet the Mueller report spent more time claiming a joke on national TV was obstruction than in detailing the evidence supporting the belief. Fishy.

    Point. Got one that involves a Republican on the other side of an inquiry?

    That actually true. You know that, right?

    J
     
  10. Birdjaguar

    Birdjaguar Hanafubuki Retired Moderator Supporter

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    It's your typical distortion of the truth. The Steele dossier was not, is not, a fraud. Much was shown to be accurate, some is still TBD and a few points were not accurate or wrong. The document is not a fraud. The dossier was not the fundamental or sole basis for investigating Carter Page like Berzerker said. The FBI was on to CP previous to the dossier and certainly had much more stuff that was used to support the FISA warrant. By Berzerker's logic one wrong item/ inaccurate part or lie condemns the entire document. If we extend that same logic to our sissy president, a single lie should make all his statement lies.

    For the purposes of this post I will ignore the fact that almost everything trumps says is a lie. IIRC just the other day he said that he didn't do cover ups. And yet poor Michael Cohen paid the price for sissy man's cover up of his illicit sexcapades.
     
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  11. Takhisis

    Takhisis is it fall yet

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    There you go, BJ's saving me the trouble of writing it up.
     
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  12. onejayhawk

    onejayhawk Afflicted with reason

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    The dossier is what it was funded to be, an attack piece on Trump.

    The uses of the dossier as reliable intel and Steele as a reliable source is the fraud. Both of these occur in the FISA application. Also, exculpatory evidence is missing, which was a problem with Andrew Weissmann in the Enron investigation.

    J
     
  13. Wastl

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    No it wasn't. The dossier in itself was nothing but gathered information. What other people may do with it is completely independent of the information it actually contains.

    There is no fraud in any of this, no matter how often you lie about that. Steele did a proper analysis and the usual work of judging the reliability of each claim. Neither did he treat any infromation as gospel, nor did he claim that his own work was. Nor did the FBI or anyone else take it at face value without checking themselves. You are once again doing nothing but distorting reality to suit your own purpose. It's rather disgusting to what lengths you will go to badmouth investigators and defend criminals.
     
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    So why didnt the FBI just leak it to the press then ?
    FBI had no issues leaking that Hillary was under investigation why didnt the leak Trump was also under investigation ?
     
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  15. Berzerker

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    Thx, I tracked it down.

    My memory isn't perfect either, when have I left you hanging? I asked a simple question to confirm you had read it and you responded with insults while complaining about irrelevant responses. Who is source #2?

    That wasn't so long, most of it is redacted and the conclusion appears on p32-33. I dont see any other sources, just source #1 and some published material about Page's trips to Russia. The accusations came from Steele, not the articles mentioning Page's itinerary.

    Are you saying the dossier is true, or just that it wasn't a fraud? Here's my evidence for the latter, Steele supposedly got the goods on Page from Russian contacts. Steele leaked the dossier thereby endangering his contacts. Or.... He didn't jeopardize any contacts because he made up the accusations. How many sources did the application identify as sources and how many sources did the FBI endorse? I see source #1...

    Like what? Steele made a series of accusations probably using publicly available information to show Page was in Russia at such and such time, but the accusations came from Steele, not the published material. The app said the FBI was given the information on Page by the State Dept around Oct '16 which is about when the dossier was making the rounds. Why didn't they have the 'goods' on Page before that? What changed? The dossier arrived. You're complaining about typical distortions of truth and defending the dossier in the same breath?

    The IG made a public request for the FBI to look into accusations wrt Clinton. The FBI cleared her publicly and then announced they were reopening the case after more emails were found on Anthony Weiner's laptop. The FBI had to announce that or they would have been guilty of hiding the fact they just reopened an already public case before an election without telling us. It was a no win situation.
     
  16. Berzerker

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    Do you think this is the proper thread for debating the dossier? I'd like to move the discussion to the post Mueller report or the Barr investigation of the investigators, but here we are. When have I dodged your arguments?
     
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  17. Ajidica

    Ajidica High Quality Person

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    Read the FISA application yourself. You have the link and since you were clearly unhappy with my response I don't see the issue. I've spent too much time going through various government documents demonstrating the false or so misleading as to be false statements some people on this forum have made about the Mueller report and the related investigations only to see the other person carry on in a week or two like nothing I posted mattered. Forgive me if I'm a little jaded about the whole thing.
    (Also, you asked me initially about Source #1, not Source #2.)
     
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    yea this is what J, Oldhippy, berserker, and meinteam all have in common. They all argue a point and then ignore counterpoints to argue the same point in another thread or just later in the same thread as if the counterpoints were not made. I feel your pain.
     
  19. Old Hippy

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    a counter point is just an opposing opinion... it does not make it correct... I feel your pain...
     
  20. Birdjaguar

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    Because that narrative doesn't fit with they lies they are creating now. Comey is the guy most likely to have given the election to Trump with his reopening of his investigation in Hillary at the last minute.
     

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