Coronavirus. The n(in)th sequel.

[EnglishEdward]

I suppose that there might be some minor restrictions introduced.

But I don't believe that there will be another proper lockdown
in the UK, in the absence of a far more deadly coronavirus variant.

I rather think that the young people here take the view that those
at risk have either had their two jabs or declined the opportunity,
and they see little reason to continue restricting themselves
because their elders won't accept some residual risk.

They want to party.

And their response in the UK to paying an extra 1.25% NI on wage slips as a
"Health and Social Care Levy" may be, ' its time from gramps to move on'.

 

[Takhisis]

So, last year we had the misgovernment claiming that it was ‘a government of scientists’.

Since then we've heard that they had their own ‘VIP vaccination scheme’ and their own party cycle that turned the presidential residence into a nightclub.

Now we hear that, far from scientists, what we should do is do a star chart for the country itself because astrology is the answer.

 

[EnglishEdward]

How can that possibly happen in a civilised country with a written constitution?

 

[Takhisis]

Basically by following neither the spirit nor the letter of said constitution.

 

[Narz]

 

[r16]

some study about the 900 or 950 patients in intensive care these days in Turkey . 50% had no vaccines . 40% had 2 Sinovac shots . Then a sharp fall to 1s or 0,5s and it is seen 3 Sinovac shots is as good as others or something with everybody talking of boosters .

 

[innonimatu]

Not content with lying about the unvaccinated, there are also medics lying about "ivermectin poisoning". Because the propaganda about the "deadly dewormer" must be reinforced and people do it voluntarily for fame?

Covid has provided never-ending occasions for lying to the public. People must be distracted from how badly things are being handled...

The liars in The Guardian didn't had the good grace for even adding a note recognizing the lie they spread.
The Guardian is a propaganda machine, one of the worst british papers. They are always unrepentant for the lies they spread even after being caught lying.

 

[amadeus]

Between thinly-veiled vaccine skepticism and self-prescribing of veterinary medicines, I’m becoming less and less convinced there will be a way out unless modern medicine produces another miracle soon.

 

[Birdjaguar]

Not content with lying about the unvaccinated, there are also medics lying about "ivermectin poisoning". Because the propaganda about the "deadly dewormer" must be reinforced and people do it voluntarily for fame?

Covid has provided never-ending occasions for lying to the public. People must be distracted from how badly things are being handled...

The liars in The Guardian didn't had the good grace for even adding a note recognizing the lie they spread.
The Guardian is a propaganda machine, one of the worst british papers. They are always unrepentant for the lies they spread even after being caught lying.

Do you support taking ivermectin for covid?

 

[Zardnaar]

Well down to 15 cases per day.

Peaked at 83.

 

[Drakle]

Not content with lying about the unvaccinated, there are also medics lying about "ivermectin poisoning". Because the propaganda about the "deadly dewormer" must be reinforced and people do it voluntarily for fame?

Covid has provided never-ending occasions for lying to the public. People must be distracted from how badly things are being handled...

The liars in The Guardian didn't had the good grace for even adding a note recognizing the lie they spread.
The Guardian is a propaganda machine, one of the worst british papers. They are always unrepentant for the lies they spread even after being caught lying.

The lie not being that there are people being poisoned by ivermectin. Which is your bracketed ' '. Because there absolutely is, all the way up to death and major organ failure. There are people right now in the ICU, from the States to South Africa, to Australia with Ivermectin poisoning. Do you think that is a conspiracy, and that Ivermectin is safe at any dosage?

The 'lie' so to speak is purely about hospital capacity, and is just a poorly sourced story, since they relied on a single source, who didn't understand the broader hospital capacity. There are real stories of people with serious issues missing out on treatment due to the general overload, but it either didn't seem to happen here, and the overload is still more likely to be the COVID, then Ivermectin.

It's not, say completely misreading a chart that you treated the reading of to a sketchy conspiracy website, and then when called on the misreading, instead of publishing a retraction, kicking up a fit for multiple pages in a thread, instead of just taking the L. That would be far more dishonest.

 

[Gorbles]

I suppose that there might be some minor restrictions introduced.

But I don't believe that there will be another proper lockdown
in the UK, in the absence of a far more deadly coronavirus variant.

I rather think that the young people here take the view that those
at risk have either had their two jabs or declined the opportunity,
and they see little reason to continue restricting themselves
because their elders won't accept some residual risk.

They want to party.

And their response in the UK to paying an extra 1.25% NI on wage slips as a
"Health and Social Care Levy" may be, ' its time from gramps to move on'.

I don't think stereotyping any one demographic is going to look very good in the long run. A lot of other groups of folk either oppose the vaccine, or want to party* themselves.

* "party" includes cramming themselves into football stadiums and everything that goes with.

 

[EnglishEdward]

It is not stereotypes, it is what I see in the nearby streets.

And I suspect that young people in Norfolk are culturally more cautious about
social distancing than those in other places such as Newcastle or Liverpool.

In general they have, to my mind, been very considerate to those at risk from April
2020 to July 2021. But I think their patience will get thin if there are further lockdowns.

 

[The_J]

and that Ivermectin is safe at any dosage?

...er... it's a human approved drug, used to treat a bunch of things in humans. Yes, it is safe (in the right circumstances, etc).
Apparently useless for Covid, but these are 2 different things.

 

[Drakle]

...er... it's a human approved drug, used to treat a bunch of things in humans. Yes, it is safe.
Apparently useless for Covid, but these are 2 different things.

.... Did you read my post?

'Safe at any dosage'. It absolutely is not. Many things becone poison when ingested in Sufficent quantites, and Ivermectin is a poison. You use it to poison parasites. That us why you take a small amount, yo kill them, and not you.

The human Ivermectin is in very small concentration, and taken ONCE every three to 12 months. You kill parasites and move on. People are instead taking it every day, in animal quantities, and often in dosages far exceeding even that. Shitting your stomach lining out is not intended use. Neither is liver failure. Or death.

 

[The_J]

Yeah, I added "in the right circumstances", since the quantity makes the poison.

 

[Samson]

From here

 

[EnglishEdward]

Interesting, I went back to the article's Methods

COVID-19 overall confirmed cases, deaths, and testing as of December 31, 2020

So, it is primarily pre-vaccination.

Be interested to see what it looks like with more recent Covid death data.

 

[Gorbles]

It is not stereotypes, it is what I see in the nearby streets.

And I suspect that young people in Norfolk are culturally more cautious about
social distancing than those in other places such as Newcastle or Liverpool.

In general they have, to my mind, been very considerate to those at risk from April
2020 to July 2021. But I think their patience will get thin if there are further lockdowns.

Okay, so it's anecdotal / local, fair enough. But that has no correlation on the country at large for the same demographic, and it doesn't prevent other groups of people from also flouting social distancing rules, and going out and getting boozy in a pub with ten of their mates. Which absolutely also happens.

Patience for everyone is stretched thin. More lockdowns are going to be received poorly, that I agree with. But I doubt we'd agree on why. For me, it's because the lockdowns were not handled well - started too late, often lifted too early (for the late start especially), as well as obvious flouting of the rules from government ministers and, uh, whatever Cummings counts as. The problem is, none of that means they're no longer necessary. It just means they won't be received well, or even respected.

 

[Samson]

Okay, so it's anecdotal / local, fair enough. But that has no correlation on the country at large for the same demographic, and it doesn't prevent other groups of people from also flouting social distancing rules, and going out and getting boozy in a pub with ten of their mates. Which absolutely also happens.

Patience for everyone is stretched thin. More lockdowns are going to be received poorly, that I agree with. But I doubt we'd agree on why. For me, it's because the lockdowns were not handled well - started too late, often lifted too early (for the late start especially), as well as obvious flouting of the rules from government ministers and, uh, whatever Cummings counts as. The problem is, none of that means they're no longer necessary. It just means they won't be received well, or even respected.

This is so much the point. What public good will for pandemic restriction has been squandered by the graft, lies and incompetence of those in power so when they get round to doing the right thing after exhausting all other possibilities they are met with more resistance that they would have had they just bitten the bullet straight away. There was no easy solution, but BoJo and chums have taken the hardest path at every turn.