Coronavirus. The n(in)th sequel.
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Berzerker
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that sucks, health care workers who got covid taking care of people will be fired if they refuse the vaccine even though their immunity is better.
- Mr Sanches, where are those 1.3 million of vaccine doses you received a week ago?
- Uh... Russia took them back... all of them! They said labels were not in Spanish and they need to relabel the vials urgently!
Anybody who works in healthcare who refuses the vaccine is too dumb to work in healthcare. Hospitals also deal with immune compromised people. They deserve to have the chance of their catching COVID be reduced as much as possible. The US isn't rationing vaccines, millions are going to waste, waiting on anti vaxxers and expiring. There is no opportunity cost to mandating vaccines. If everybody who could, got a vaccine, more could be sent overseas.
amadeus
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From a process point-of-view as well, doesn’t it seem to be a whole lot easier just to vaccinate everybody? If someone says they have natural immunity, does anyone check up on that? How do we know they do and they’re not just a charlatan?
And if somebody is at risk from taking the vaccine, a building full of sick people is not where they should be working in the first place.
And if somebody is at risk from taking the vaccine, a building full of sick people is not where they should be working in the first place.
Natural immunity should mean in this context a prior infection, for which you should have prove.
Otherwise that'd be nonsense.
hhmmm....
Berzerker
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Approximately 100 million people got covid, disproportionately health care workers I suspect. They dont need the vaccine, they have better immunity than people who didn't get covid. That makes the vaccine unnecessary... mandating they take it anyway or get fired is immoral. Hey Doc, ru vaccinated? No, I got covid already. Yer dumb!
Apparently some of the vaccine's risk is in the delivery, missing the muscle and hitting a vein can send it to the heart. I imagine people who had covid can show it in their medical records or thru testing, if I had it already I wouldn't have gotten the vaccine. Maybe a booster 6-8 months down the line, but I'd feel safer knowing my immune system has seen the real thing. I still feel that way after 2 shots, I'd rather have the protection from covid than the vaccine.
More recent data suggests the 2nd shot was largely wasted when given too soon and that was the protocol for early vaccination programs. By the time I got my 1st Pfizer they were already figuring that out, I was told to wait 21-42 days for the 2nd and even thats extending up to several months between shots so the immune system has to work harder redeveloping a response.
bernie14
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Can't find a good source on whether vaccines are mandatory in israel....can any Israelis chime in with situation on the ground?
bernie14
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Not all who get covid have natural immunity. In addition, having both the infection AND vaccine may be best bet long term outcome. From what i have read, >95% of doctors are vaccinated, most of the unvaccinated healthcare workers are support staff. In any case, I am anti government mandate.
Sanches with an s? Are you calling the Great Argentine People a bunch of tree-inhabiting Brazilians?
Berzerker
Deity
I didn't say it does
Berzerker
Deity
I'm familiar with the research indicating 1 shot following covid provides better protection while a 2nd shot didn't help, that doesn't make the vaccine necessary for people who had covid.
Natural immunity doesn't last forever.
But sure, you know what you're talking about
The antibodies from natural immunity don't last forever. Much of the rest of the response is long-lasting
Berzerker
Deity
we were building natural immunity before walking upright
thats close to forever
thats close to forever
bernie14
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These belong in the covid thread so i will answer them here
No, and as usual, you don't know what you are talking about, just uninformed, misinformed or making baseless assumptions. Why dont you ever take your own advice and do a simple google search
Are you saying he is? Maybe he's a lizard?
You're acting like it does.
The antibodies are still rather useful here, no?
Of course, this is academic for everybody in the thread that hadn't had Covid-19. That's half the reason I replied to him. It's an easy line to dissuade vaccinations, often from people who haven't had to deal with the virus at all. I'm sure you can understand why I don't have time for that
Why ask a question when you don't want to hear the answer?
DeSantis can say whatever he wants. His actions still matter and can be criticised, as much as you seemingly want to stake a post full of attempted insults on claiming they can't.
In 2018, the US had a total of 15,498 murders. Then in 2020, Trump oversaw an increase to 21,570. Conservatives went full-on with racial panic, and law and order worship, for a crisis that they caused.
Florida added that entire US yearly murder rate, in a couple of months, just in their state. Well after advances in treatment, solid data on ventilation, masks and how the spread works, and with fully available vaccines. Florida jumped from having the 29th per capita deaths, to having the 9th.
DeSantis absolutely massacred tens of thousands in his state, and denying it is denying reality.
Florida added that entire US yearly murder rate, in a couple of months, just in their state. Well after advances in treatment, solid data on ventilation, masks and how the spread works, and with fully available vaccines. Florida jumped from having the 29th per capita deaths, to having the 9th.
DeSantis absolutely massacred tens of thousands in his state, and denying it is denying reality.
Berzerker
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You're acting like it does.
The antibodies are still rather useful here, no?
Of course, this is academic for everybody in the thread that hadn't had Covid-19. That's half the reason I replied to him. It's an easy line to dissuade vaccinations, often from people who haven't had to deal with the virus at all. I'm sure you can understand why I don't have time for that
I didn't take a position on the longevity of natural immunity, only that covid provokes a better immune response than the vaccines. Therefore firing people who got covid and dont want the vaccine is anti-science and immoral. As for how long the protection lasts, who knows? How do you know natural immunity wears off and when? How did people who survived covid without issue acquire their immunity?
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