Dawn of Civilization - an RFC modmod by Leoreth

[Mr_Hobo]

Oh, and I'm pretty sure Himeji Castle has little to do with Buddhism. But I'm not sure how to change it exactly. Maybe change it to require a Melee unit of Drill IV Promotion + Silk instead of Buddhism? Then Japan will be in a better position to build it than China or India, like they should.

Maybe Himeji Castle could require Buddhism and animism? After all, that's the closest representation of Shintoism in the mod. Japan's (revised) UB could give a bonus with Animism or something.

 

[Krugi]

@Tigranes: The last time I checked, the spread of religion is already modified by the civilization that controls the city. Confucianism, for instance, has absolutely atrocious modifiers in that regard, which ensures that it never spreads outside of East Asia.

Since culture mostly affects border cities, the current implementation doesn't differ much from your proposal.

 

[BenZL43]

The problem is that "Chinese folk religion" is divided into 2 in-game : Confucianism & Taoism.
Unlike the Abrahamic religion, where Islam is Islam, Catholic is Catholic etc.. Chinese folk religion is syncretism of Confucianism, Taoism and Buddhism itself.

It is possible imo to remove both Confucianism and Taoism; and added Chinese folk religion instead with Tao symbol (which is better according to Leoreth) BUT I think it's un-aesthetic having religion with names that long. (and Leoreth want to keep Chinese UHV, let's don't broke more records )

So I think I will suggest the following minor religion :
- Tengriism :
TARGET CIV = Mongol
SPREAD AREA = Central Asia, Mongol
- Judaism :
TARGET CITY = Jerusalem
SPREAD AREA = Sporadic in Western Asia, North Africa and Europe
- Taoism :
TARGET CIV = China
SPREAD AREA = China, Southeast Asia
- Sikhism
TARGET CIV = India
SPREAD AREA = Northern India
- Manichaeism
TARGET CIV = Middle East
SPREAD AREA = Babylon, Persia, China, Egypt, Rome
Spread impossible after Islam
- Hellenism
TARGET CIV = Alexandrian Empire
SPREAD AREA = Greece, Alexandrian Empire and Greece Colonies
- Shiite
TARGET CIV = Iran
SPREAD AREA = Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Syria

Well that's my revised list suggestion for Minor religion.
What do you all thinks? Perhaps I missed something major...

 

[Leoreth]

Yes, culture spread (both natural and by missionary) is already tied to the civ that controls the city.

And again, making Taoism a minor religion doesn't imply that it is minor in impact or importance. This is what I meant with minor religion as a gameplay term. It mainly means that this religion cannot be your state religion and build missionaries, and might spread in a more scripted way.

 

[BenZL43]

Maybe Himeji Castle could require Buddhism and animism? After all, that's the closest representation of Shintoism in the mod. Japan's (revised) UB could give a bonus with Animism or something.

perhaps Himeji Castle can only be constructed in city where Buddhism is the ONLY religion, and the civilization is in peace (or if possible: didn't attack anything for the past X turn)

This pre-requisite IMO already almost rule out India, China, Korea, Indonesia to build it but still leaving them with slim chances to built it so it's not monopolyzed by Japan.

 

[apenpaap]

I've been wondering: is empress dowager Cixi in DoC? Because she is in the Leaderheadinfo file, but more importantly, she's set to take over from Hongwu in the Industrial era in the Python. Yet she's not in the Civiliopedia and I can't remember having ever seen her.

 

[Leoreth]

No, she isn't. That part of the Python code is commented out.

The LH info is still there, maybe even the art. I need to clean up the mod a bit I guess

 

[mrrandomplayer]

Why isn't she in the mod? It is kind of weird to see Hongwu as the Chinese emperor in 1900.

 

[Royal Tenenbaum]

Because she's the craziest looking mofo in Civ history.

 

[BenZL43]

The LH info is still there, maybe even the art. I need to clean up the mod a bit I guess

if you're cleaning up, just to remind that everything about IVC still remain there. Also with UU and UB of what civ I forgot.. China or Italy or Indonesia, I forgotten. I still saw it in WB so I guess it's still there.

 

[DC123456789]

Native and Zulu UB are visible in Worldbuilder, I think.

 

[Leoreth]

Everything is visible in Worldbuilder.

 

[Tigranes]

I could not find the Slave unit in WB though...

 

[iOnlySignIn]

if you're cleaning up, just to remind that everything about IVC still remain there. Also with UU and UB of what civ I forgot.. China or Italy or Indonesia, I forgotten. I still saw it in WB so I guess it's still there.

Leoreth can I ask you to not remove the IVC stuff?

I actually like them and I think this is a good way to represent the IVC. I'm 100% serious.

 

[Leoreth]

I could not find the Slave unit in WB though...

It's there somewhere, right before all the GPs appear.

Leoreth can I ask you to not remove the IVC stuff?

I actually like them and I think this is a good way to represent the IVC. I'm 100% serious.

I don't understand. Do you want them in the game, or do you only want them to remain in the civilopedia?

 

[Royal Tenenbaum]

I think a Bengali civilization is more important than IVC. They fought off Alexander.

I played a game where I made Tibet Bengal. They became pretty cool.

 

[DC123456789]

I think a Bengali civilization is more important than IVC. They fought off Alexander.

I played a game where I made Tibet Bengal. They became pretty cool.

They're already pretty well represented by the Indian civ. Whereas the IVC, not so much.

 

[SheaferDaDawg]

What is this "IVC" you speak of?

 

[DC123456789]

What is this "IVC" you speak of?

IVC = Indus Valley Civilization, also (and ingame) Harrapans. IVC is more commonly used, but a rather cumbersome term for a civ.

 

[iOnlySignIn]

I don't understand. Do you want them in the game, or do you only want them to remain in the civilopedia?

Remain in the civilopedia/xml files but not in game as a civilization.

I think this is an accurate way to represent a "lost" ancient civilization whose language no one understands. Kind of an Easter Egg, if you will.