Don't read the news

Tahuti

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No, seriously, don't. News media only serves to pigeonhole us in prefabricated opinions and ideologies. News media is supposed to make us critical, yet we uncritically take 'critical' assertions by newspapers.

So, try to avoid newspapers, news magazines and pretty much everything else that has 'news' in it for a week, and see how you have ended up.
 
So how do you get to find out about things happening? I take it visiting this site would be out of the question as well.

Find as many sources as you can lay your hands on. Be critical when digesting it. Realise the sensationalist angle news has taken to survive.
 
So how do you get to find out about things happening?

You don't need to know it. 'Terrorist attack in X' is probably irrelevant unless you hear from it directly from friends or family, for instance.
 
I routinely do this for months at a time. Punctuated by periods of total immersion such as I am in now.
 
I haven't read a newspaper, apart from very occasionally someone else's, for.... good grief I don't know how long. I used to subscribe to the Morning Star when I was 16; but that was only to wind people up. It was rumoured to contain coded messages from the KGB, and some of it was truly mysterious to me.

I get nearly all my news from the radio. And commentary on it via CFC.

But I think you're right: What difference does me knowing any of it make? If it can be said to be knowledge at all.

edit: Oh I tell a lie. I used to get a French hebdomadaire, for about 7 years, when I was trying to learn the language.
 
News media is supposed to make us critical, yet we uncritically take 'critical' assertions by newspapers.

I disagree with this claim. I think it is the role of educational institutions to make us critical, including of news media.

For all that, I resonate with this anti-news quote from Thoreau:

If we read of one man robbed, or murdered, or killed by accident, or one house burned, or one vessel wrecked, or one steamboat blown up, or one cow run over on the Western Railroad, or one mad dog killed, or one lot of grasshoppers in the winter — we never need read of another. One is enough. If you are acquainted with the principle, what do you care for a myriad instances and applications? To a philosopher all news, as it is called, is gossip, and they who edit and read it are old women over their tea.
 
You don't need to know it. 'Terrorist attack in X' is probably irrelevant unless you hear from it directly from friends or family, for instance.

How did they find out about it, perchance? Are we to assume everyone is following your advice?
 
How did they find out about it, perchance? Are we to assume everyone is following your advice?

If everyone did then you would only know about a terrorist attack that actually had some direct effect on someone you know...which beyond a certain level of curiosity may well be the only terrorist attack worth knowing about anyway.
 
But hang on, if you don't follow the news - at all - on what basis will you make your decision at the polling station?
 
But hang on, if you don't follow the news - at all - on what basis will you make your decision at the polling station?

Local community leaders, such as union leaders, local employers, churchmen, etc.. If you don't have them, you can never hope to have a community that is capable taking for itself on political matters, democracy or not.

That being said, if you are unsure about whom to vote for, it is far better to not vote at all.
 
But hang on, if you don't follow the news - at all - on what basis will you make your decision at the polling station?

This goes to my periods of immersion. I find that a month of immersion gives me a much better grasp of the issues and candidates than cursory every day 'keeping up' does. And if considering doing both the immersion actually makes the day to day keeping up totally superfluous.
 
I agree with the OP, reading newspapers is a huge waste of time. When I put aside my book to read a newspaper on the train I almost always regret it.

Unless it's a Tuesday & a NY Times then I'll read the science times which I enjoy.
 
From what you said, I think you're doing it wrong. Yes, individual news media outlets tend to spew a fair amount of drivel and/or propaganda. But if you follow a variety of news sources with very different biases, you can learn a lot more than you'd ever know if you either didn't read the news or stuck with a narrow range of sources.

For instance, suppose you're interested in the goings-on in Ukraine. Read several Western sources, and then also read one or more Russian sites (e.g. RT) and one or more sites from places that don't have a dog in this fight (e.g. Al Jazeera). Finally, go to vice.com and watch their "Russian Roulette" series, which is by far the best (and ballsiest) journalism I've seen so far on the subject.

You'll probably come away with an opinion that is messy and that doesn't fit with either "side". This is not so great for winning online arguments (except by advocating one devil or the other), but you'll understand the situation far better.

I'll also offer a different plug for mainstream media (of the somewhat intelligent variety). The only news sites I actually pay to subscribe to are the New York Times and the Economist. They both have extremely obvious and fairly similar biases (although NYT usually pretends to be objective when no such thing is possible). I disagree substantially with both of them about as often as I agree with them on anything contentious, but I'm not reading them to have my opinions echoed back to me. Both of them do a pretty good job of boiling down the opinions (and the range of opinions, usually rather narrow) of the financial and political elites that run world affairs. I find that it's really important to keep a finger on the pulse of what those people are thinking.

As an example, the Economist often plugs the next speculative bubble around when they're starting to take off. Shale gas and oil are the first things to come to mind, although a number of other examples (including housing c. 2004) can be found. I wouldn't (even if I had money, which I don't) invest based on this information, because predicting the end of bubbles is a fool's errand, but it can help to show you the sorts of things that might happen in the near economic future.

Also, the NYT's "Room for Debate" is just like a more verbose version of The Onion's "American Voices". A third of the opinions are obvious statements of fact, a third are absurdly wrong, and the last third say little of any importance. For added entertainment, I like to keep the Onion and the NYT in adjacent tabs and flip back and forth. Often I'll find myself reading a "news" article and laughing heartily at the satire, only to look up and realize I'm on the NYT, not the Onion! That experience is priceless, or at least worth more than $7.50/mo. :D
 
From what you said, I think you're doing it wrong. Yes, individual news media outlets tend to spew a fair amount of drivel and/or propaganda. But if you follow a variety of news sources with very different biases, you can learn a lot more than you'd ever know if you either didn't read the news or stuck with a narrow range of sources.

No, bias is only a minority of the problem - the problem is that keeping up to date on news is nearly a complete waste of time, and that becomes even worse if you try to keep up on news from every PoV.

"Trying to determine what is going on in the world by reading newspapers is like trying to tell the time by watching the second hand of a clock."
 
What you need to do is stay away from "news entertainment" and/or from as many overly sensationalized news sources as possible.

I read the news occasionally to know what the hell is going on geopolitically in the world. That's pretty much it. I don't read newspapers, I don't watch news on TV, I just go on news.google.com every once in a while and I scan the headlines. If any events apply to me, or I want to know more about them to increase my knowledge of the world or whatever, I will open up a bunch of tabs from various news sources of the event.. Then I'll read about it and try to figure what the hell is going on. Usually there's a bunch of people who try to put a spin on it, and those people can all go to hell, because it's really annoying trying to read the news these days.

Local news I don't really care about, aside from the high speed rail project that's in the works, any construction that might affect me or the downtown core or the city in general I guess (I hang out on some skyscraper forums, and they contain threads on construction projects of all sorts in my town), and... that's pretty much it I guess? I don't need the news for that, so local news are a novelty for me in a way.

I want to read the news, because I want to know what's going on around the world. What I don't want is the spin. I want the truth so that I can put my own spin on it, and the only way to do that is to read a bunch of sources to try to get through the BS. Half the time I don't even end up cutting through the BS.. but that's okay, sometimes you just can't. Just remember that what you're looking at is still in potentially BS territory and you'll be fine.
 
No. If everybody did this, my family wouldn't eat. Plz read some news thanks

I see you becoming a highly succesfull novelist of stories about radioactive monkeys in the post-news world.
 
Local community leaders, such as union leaders, local employers, churchmen, etc.. If you don't have them, you can never hope to have a community that is capable taking for itself on political matters, democracy or not.

That being said, if you are unsure about whom to vote for, it is far better to not vote at all.

You're just advocating a change at the level someone would trust a source. And people at the upper local level would still be getting their information from a level above. In effect, you're calling for a hierarchy.
The problem is, this has been tried before. It was called "fascism", a modern-day politicla ideology largely based on a fantasy vision of some ideal feudal past where everything was neatly organized according to corporations and hierarchies, and all very harmonious. It was a big steaming pile of bullcrap invented by those on top of that hierarchy to safeguard their place on top.

I'll take the mistakes, lies and uncertainties of democracy, thank you.

And why is this forum so prudish that it must censor the other word everyone knows means the same thing as crap? Young men (and women) who are supposed to be protected by this policy, in the unlikely chance that you know how to use the Internet and still do not know the forbidden word, go find the fine dictionary your parents have and inform yourselves! :rolleyes:
 
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