Fall From Heaven NES

[orangelex44]

Honestly, what I think it came down to was some lucky rolls on the navy battles. If you land on one of my islands, everything changes...

 

[Ekolite]

Whatever happened to our joint assault on his capital? That would have really turned things around. I had a feeling you'd slip the Calafarl into it somehow .

 

[Seon]

Calafarl somehow reminds me of calamari

 

[Tyrs]

Yeah, both me and Kol got left out of that war, when both of us were going to do something. Odd. Great story though.

 

[orangelex44]

I think Jopa assumed you two had at it for a while before the Calabim collapsed...

 

[LDiCesare]

I must say that I miss the point of bringing down the Amuriutes to make the Lanun even more powerful than anyone was before.

 

[orangelex44]

Hey, so long as we're going to be redoing a few things anyway... I have a couple questions on the mechanics of things, Jopa.

Colonizing and expanding
You can expand your empire by one and only one province per turn.
The province you expand to must be adjacent to your territory.
There are two ways to expand. First is to build an outpost. Outpost claims a province for you, but you don't get any income. You do get resources, and you are allowed to build and expand fortifications in province. Cost of outpost is 50 gold and it takes 1 turn to build.
Second way is to build a city. City provides income (+5) and allows you to build infrastructure in city and in province. You are allowed to build two cities for free. Every city after them costs 200 gold, then 400, 600 and so on. It takes 2 turns to build a city, but first two free cities are built just for 1 turn.

Forts can be built in any province you own and can be expanded by one level for 100 gold for lvl.1, 200 for 2 and so on. If you want to, you can specify fort details, like against which province you want to guard better and so on.

You need sailing to colonize overseas! Civilian Transports carry troops overseas, you don't need to build them but take care to secure sealanes. Before compass, your ships must stay in province adjacent to province you own (this isn't so big limitation, as sea provinces are large and border many land provinces)

First, is the city cost based on cities you own, or ones you've built?

Second, I assume the whole "expansion" bit is pretty much removed at this point. You don't seem to be using territories at all anymore, so the only factor that seems to limit anything is how much you can conquer in one turn.

Third - forts. As far as I know, no one ever built one - what do they do? Should they really cost as much as cities?




Changing tack a little bit: the update. How much will be changed? Can we expect new techs? Armies? Buildings? Cities?

One thing I think would be kind of neat would be to give everyone all tier 1 and tier 2 techs, and let us go for the late-game techs we never get to use. Perhaps lower their cost just a bit?

 

[orangelex44]

I don't know. Assuming that really is the whole update (I expect Jopa might add to it later), it doesn't really increase my strength at all. Or at least not directly - it removes the Amurites as a rival, but on the other hand I don't gain any (or very little) territory -and I probably lose the smuggling operation, and my economy was pretty weak to begin with. I think that you may be overestimating how strong I really was - the Lanun weren't really any stronger than your dwarves, just more lucky in our conquests. Plus, we had a lot of territory scattered around, not that that's an idicator of power.

I would guess that (again, assuming this is the whole thing) the Lanun would be one of the stronger powers, but not necessarily the strongest. The Bals probably have four cities yet, I don't think the Amurites lost more than one, and the Doviello could maybe have four at this point too. Looking just at cities, then, there are four nations of equal power. Economically or militarily, well, who knows? I expect the Doviello to be the strongest pure military, and as for economy I have no idea. It could be me, it could be the Bals, it could even be one of the dwarven nations.

 

[Tyrs]

I really liked Immac's Research Point system better than cash for teching. In general I thought that in this NES things were generally too expensive

 

[Immaculate]

I'm pretty sure the story indicated otherwise...


Not gonna be:

 

[orangelex44]

Really? Alright. Tell me where it says in the update that "the Lanun then became the strongest nation". Or, "the Lanun are thus undoubtedly the strongest nation". Or how about "the Lanun, then, have no problems whatsoever and can remain sure in the knowledge that they are by far the very strongest nation, that no one could even think to oppose, and are under no threat by anyone anywhere".


Kidding aside, I'm being quite serious. I don't think that the Lanun are necessarily the #1 power. I believe they're in the upper echelon, but there are still two or three nations that could quite reasonably be equal to them. The Bals, the new Doviello, the Luichirp, even the Amurites - all they lost was one city and their pride, and could easily rebuild.


EDIT: Point made. Missed that the first time. I guess the Lanun are just really awesome.

 

[Seon]

In any case, Lanun emerged as a sole superpower, no one being even close to touching them. They controled virtually entire world trade, taxed every ship that ever set sail, and flew their blue banner into every single world port. Massive, massive ammounts of cash poured in- their cities will soon outmatch Kuriotates in height of their strength. Can Lanun keep corruption and hunger for power down and keep their empire strong?

Here it is

 

[Immaculate]

Kidding aside, I'm being quite serious.

I LOLed.

And thank you Seon- thats what i was going to quote as well...


Honestly Orange... that was precious!

 

[orangelex44]

So I skimmed the update and missed that part. My bad. Still, someone has to be the strongest, so why not the Lanun? I'll accept it and move on.

 

[Immaculate]

me too... i thought you were honestly trying to spin it... not like you've ever tried that before eh???

 

[orangelex44]

Nope, I was serious. Now that I know better, I can embrace the inevitable and become the superpower nation everyone seems to want me to be. I want more! More! Bwa-hahahahaha....

Spoiler :

 

[Immaculate]

cute- you forgot to add fire to all the non-lanun cities...

 

[Seon]

...And Sailor Moon appeared and defeated the evil Lanun Empire and their evil aristocratic Admirals shrouded by a veil of complete total evilness and bent on their evil scheme of complete, world, domination

 

[Tyrs]

...Sailor Moon?

 

[orangelex44]

Seon, you obviously haven't done your homework. The Lanun weren't led by an Admiral, but a Captain - who's probably dead now, though. And they're not evil, just neutral - we barely even exploit, much less oppress.

And - Sailor Moon?