I'm going to Chavez-Land!

[aelf]

This Poland?

Casus belli?

 

[Masada]

Casus belli?

Chavez is Polish isn't he? You can link all the mischief in the world to Poland.

 

[aelf]

Chavez is Polish isn't he? You can link all the mischief in the world to Poland.

No, as in what's the reason for the Poland thing?

 

[Masada]

No, as in what's the reason for the Poland thing?

Apparently I've been beaten to the punch. In any case this is the abomination we must all resist.

 

[aelf]

Poland is Eastern European 'cause it got crusaded. So there.

 

[Mise]

Well Mise, things change, and thus definitions have to change. What some countries looked like and how developed they were, are completely different from what they are now.

You didn't seem aware of the original definition at all, nor that the "definition" you are currently using is colloquial and nonstandard (as I said, it's not a new definition at all -- it's an entirely different concept). I was simply trying to make you aware of the meaning of the term; if, now knowing its meaning, you wish to change it for your own purposes, then that's fine, but using a nonstandard definition because you don't know its standard definition is a display of ignorance in its most literal sense. Personally, I don't like being ignorant of things -- I like learning things, and I liked being told what Second World meant; I assumed that other people also like learning things, which is why I took the time to post links to wikipedia along with coloured maps (because people on here like coloured maps) to show you, as well as others, what Second World means, in its standard context, unbastardised by overzealous authors writing for the lowest common denominator. I assumed wrong, it seems.

 

[Masada]

Poland is Eastern European 'cause it got crusaded. So there.

Join the Second Crusade then Princess

 

[dutchfire]

Just for the record, I have only read and heard about the second world in the way wiki/Mise presents it. I believe that is the common definition of the second world.

 

[Grimz101]

TheLastOnes law.. every thread made by him will gradually transcend into a discussion about poland.

 

[Mad Man]

1st world - Western Europe, Central Europe, Most of the Balkans, Turkey, North America, Australia, NZ, Japan, SK, Singapore, Taiwan, U.A.E, and imo in the upcoming years China.

2nd world - Most of Latin America, whatever is left from Europe, Thailand, South Africa, China, Indonesia, Philippines, Iran, parts of the Arabic world, whatever i missed in Asia.

3rd world - whatever is left in Asia after this, whatever is left in the Americas, most African country's, Papua new Guinea.

4th world - basically failed states, Haiti, NK, Burma, Afghanistan, Iraq untill the rebuild their stuff and get a proper police force and a stable government, quite a few African states, Cambodia (debatable) and whatever i missed.

I say that list pretty much describes the world's situation as it is.

How can you put whatever I missed in Asia in the 2nd world and then start your 3rd world list with whatever is left in Asia? Also I would add Sudan,Zimbabwe, West Virginia and South Australia to the 4th world list.

 

[Masada]

How can you put whatever I missed in Asia in the 2nd world and then start your 3rd world list with whatever is left in Asia? Also I would add Sudan,Zimbabwe, West Virginia and South Australia to the 4th world list.

Does that mean that New South Wales should be a 5th worlder?

 

[Mad Man]

Does that mean that New South Wales should be a 5th worlder?

I was originally going to add New South Wales to the list but I figured they had Sydney going for it but South Australia doesn't even have a real name so South Australia takes the cake

 

[LordRahl]

For some reason some of the best lynching videos on theync come from Venezuela, so watch out for large mobs of people...

 

[TheLastOne36]

Poland is Eastern European 'cause it got crusaded. So there.

Crusaded? We were helping the godamned crusades, and we christionized Lithuania!

You didn't seem aware of the original definition at all, nor that the "definition" you are currently using is colloquial and nonstandard (as I said, it's not a new definition at all -- it's an entirely different concept). I was simply trying to make you aware of the meaning of the term; if, now knowing its meaning, you wish to change it for your own purposes, then that's fine, but using a nonstandard definition because you don't know its standard definition is a display of ignorance in its most literal sense. Personally, I don't like being ignorant of things -- I like learning things, and I liked being told what Second World meant; I assumed that other people also like learning things, which is why I took the time to post links to wikipedia along with coloured maps (because people on here like coloured maps) to show you, as well as others, what Second World means, in its standard context, unbastardised by overzealous authors writing for the lowest common denominator. I assumed wrong, it seems.

Oh wow, you are completely misunderstanding me, i am in no way disagreeing with the definition 'second world' for communist country's, during the cold war. I'm just saying that it is now outdated, and can't apply to countries like Poland, Slovenia or Czech anymore.

Also, i think we are much more alike then you think. I regularly spend hours on Wikipedia searching things.



I have a question for you guys, how many of you actually think that countries like Poland, Czech, Slovenia are still 2nd world countries?

If some of you say they still are, i'll be shocked.

 

[TheLastOne36]

TheLastOnes law.. every thread made by him will gradually transcend into a discussion about poland.

You guys brought it here, in a Venezuela thread. I did advise making a new thread.

Could the next person who carries on the topic about 1st/2nd/3rd worlds start it in a new thread?

And it isn't just my threads it's basically any thread i post in.

 

[aelf]

Crusaded? We were helping the godamned crusades, and we christionized Lithuania!

Teutonic Knights? They went to East Prussia/Poland.

 

[Dachs]

Teutonic Knights? They went to East Prussia/Poland.

Not quite. The Poles invited the Order in to clear out the pagan enclave in what eventually became East Prussia - they sucked too hard to do it themselves, and yeah they did try - and the Pope put his stamp on it. Poland was already a Christian state by then. Over the next century and a half, the Order crushed the pagan inhabitants and converted the remainder, shipped in German peasants to make up the difference and clear the old woods, and even managed to force the pagan Grand Duchy of Lithuania's rulers into converting (then they - dude named Mindaugas - recanted), then forced them into it again. Then Lithuania united with Poland after the Order got too strong for the two of them, then came Tannenberg and sad times.

But the Order did school the Poles over Pomerelia/West Prussia before the Poles had to call in the Lithuanians to teach them how to fight. Poland failed at fighting Brandenburg over Pomerelia so they asked the Order to do it for them in exchange for cash, then when the Poles elected not to pay the Order the Grand Master kept West Prussia to make up the difference. 14th century: good times.

 

[aelf]

Not quite. The Poles invited the Order in to clear out the pagan enclave in what eventually became East Prussia - they sucked too hard to do it themselves, and yeah they did try - and the Pope put his stamp on it. Poland was already a Christian state by then. Over the next century and a half, the Order crushed the pagan inhabitants and converted the remainder, shipped in German peasants to make up the difference and clear the old woods, and even managed to force the pagan Grand Duchy of Lithuania's rulers into converting (then they - dude named Mindaugas - recanted), then forced them into it again. Then Lithuania united with Poland after the Order got too strong for the two of them, then came Tannenberg and sad times.

But the Order did school the Poles over Pomerelia/West Prussia before the Poles had to call in the Lithuanians to teach them how to fight. Poland failed at fighting Brandenburg over Pomerelia so they asked the Order to do it for them in exchange for cash, then when the Poles elected not to pay the Order the Grand Master kept West Prussia to make up the difference. 14th century: good times.

What? But Grunwald/Tannenberg was fought between the Teutonic Order and a Polish-Lithuanian alliance

 

[Dachs]

What? But Grunwald/Tannenberg was fought between the Teutonic Order and a Polish-Lithuanian alliance

...yes, after the Lithuanian leadership converted (the second time). It was a battle between Christians, not between Christian and pagan.

 

[aelf]

...yes, after the Lithuanian leadership converted (the second time). It was a battle between Christians, not between Christian and pagan.

But that counts as being crusaded. After all, the Greek Christians had to fight crusaders too