MB3 - Old Testament Bunfight

[a space oddity]

That's OK Earp. I'll notify mad-bax.

 

[mad-bax]

Space: Is it OK if we swap turns this time round?
As you will have noticed I found a way through the firewall at my remote location.

 

[a space oddity]

I should've known no-one can keep you from the board!

Can't (won't) play tonight, but will tomorrow.

 

[Northern Pike]

Good luck against the Zulus, Space. As a precaution, you'll probably want to declare war on them and then let them commit the first aggressive act, so that the Babylonians will enter the war on our side. It may be necessary to renew our MPP with the Babylonians on your second turn, too.

 

[a space oddity]

Thanks, NP.
I haven't really looked at the save yet since both Earp and MB where planned to go before me...
I will post some thoughts before I play.

 

[TedJackson]

You might get lucky with a "Leave or declare war" as there's a couple of Impi just inside our borders near Entremont


Ted

 

[Karasu]

Just don't kill them all
You don't want to leave me with a builder round, do you?

 

[a space oddity]

I looked at the save yesterday and I noticed we could win this through domination if we manage to get both the Zulu and the Persian lands... So that made me wonder, what win are we aiming for: domination or conquest? (diplo?, spaceship?)

edit: Took a look at the first post, domination it is then! Because we need the Zulu and Persian lands we don't want the Babs to conquer any cities. Any thoughts on how we can involve them in the war (to slow them down) but prevent them from taking cities?

 

[TedJackson]

How about a line of (obsolete) troops or Workers blocking their access to the Zulu arm of the map? That way they could only invade by sea


Ted

 

[a space oddity]

Yeah, that's a thought... I'll check what's feasible. Do the Babs have an RoP, ie can they use our shiny new railsystem?

 

[Northern Pike]

Originally posted by a space oddity
Because we need the Zulu and Persian lands we don't want the Babs to conquer any cities. Any thoughts on how we can involve them in the war (to slow them down) but prevent them from taking cities?

We'll need to make Pompeii and Viroconium our first Zulu targets to keep the Babylonians from taking them, but otherwise this shouldn't be much of a problem. We have an MPP with the Babs but not an RoP, unless Ted made one. So once we get started against the Zulu homeland, we should be able to keep the front moving westward too quickly for them ever to reach it.

 

[TedJackson]

No RoP,

just a couple of turns left on the MPP



Ted

 

[a space oddity]

Objectives:
Attack the Zulu.
Make sure the Babs don't get any of the Zulu cities.
RR every tile .
Start ToE pre-build somewhere.

Pre-turn:
Everything is in fine shape.
Tell the Zulu to remove their troops or declare War.. bingo!
Move some troops around to withstand a first round attack.
Press enter.

IT:

?? Market -> Sipahi
?? Court -> Sipahi
A'nople Mil.Acad. -> Factory

910AD - turn 1:
Battle for Vironconium:
Vet Sipahi vs vet Musket, Sipahi retreats.
Army of Murat vs 3hp vet Musket, wins without a scratch.
Elite Sipahi vs vet Impi, wins and we take the city!

Battle for Pompeii:
Vet Sipahi vs Elite Med Inf, wins and promotes, 3hp left.
Elite Sipahi vs vet Med Inf, wins 4hp left.
Elite Sipahi vs reg Impi, wins 4hp left.
Vet Sipahi vs reg Impi, wins 3hp left.
Vet Sipahi vs reg Impi, wins unscratched.
Vet Sipahi vs reg Impi, wins 3hp left.
Elite Sipahi vs vet Longbow, wins unscratched.
Vet Sipahi vs vet Longbow, wins and promotes 4hp left and takes the city.

Near Entremont:
Elite Sipahi vs vet Med Inf, wins unscratched.
Vet Sipahi vs 1hp vet Med Inf, wins unscratched.

IT:
Much like I hoped, the Babs kill all the Zulu troops near Vironconium.
All the Zulu achieve is pillaging a RR tile.

Teo 'duct -> Rifle
Tlatelolco Lib -> Rifle
Ravenna Court -> Rifle

 

[a space oddity]

920AD - turn 2:
Near Ravenna:
Elite Sipahi vs reg Impi, wins 4hp left.

Near Augustodorum:
Vet Sipahi vs reg Impi, wins but redlines. Rifle moves to cover.

Near Entremont:
Elite Sipahi vs 1hp reg Impi (not taking any chances here ), wins losing 1 hp.
3hp Vet Sipahi vs 2hp vet Longbow, wins not losing any hps.

Battle for Tugela:
Army of Murad vs vet Pike, wins but has only 3hp left.
Vet Sipahi vs vet Pike, dies redlining the Pike.
Vet Sipahi vs reg Musket, dies redlining the Musket.
Elite Sipahi vs 1hp reg Musket, wins and Mehmed II is born.

Army of Suleyman vs 1hp vet Pike, the city is ours!

Various our minor squirmishes.

IT:
Babylon want to end the MPP, mm let's see what we can offer.. 1gpt will do the trick.. Alrighty.
The Romans wanna talk, they want an MPP and 13gpt

Camulodunum Lib -> Cannon
Iznik Sipahi -> Sipahi
Uskudar Factory -> Rifle
Tlax Lib -> Court
Izmit Factory -> Sipahi
August Court -> Rifle
Adana Sipahi -> Sipahi

930AD - turn 3:
Near Tugela:
Elite Sipahi vs vet Pike, wins unscratched.

Near Veii:
Vet Sipahi vs 3hp Vet Musket, wins 3hp left.

Lots of healing going on.

IT:
The Zulu want peace already, but are not willing to give up any techs, no way Shaka.
The Zulu manage to kill a Sipahi in Rome.

Rome Court -> Rifle

940AD - turn 4:
Near Rome:
Elite Sipahi vs vet Impi on mountain, wins 3hp left.
Elite Sipahi vs 3hp Elite Pike, wins unscratched.

Near Entremont:
Vet Sipahi vs vet Pike, wins 3hp left.

Near Tugela:
Vet Sipahi vs Vet Longbow, wins, promotes 3hp left.

Our workers form a nice line to force the Bab cavs to go the long way 'round.

IT:
Babs kill 1 Zulu Impi...
2 Med Infs suicide on our Rifle, promoting him to Elite, but the third kills him.

Teno Factory -> Sipahi
Cumae Cannon -> Rifle
Mauch Chunk Court -> Cannon

950AD - turn 5:
Move troops into postion at Richborough, killing the pathetic SoD of the Zulu.

I'll leave it here, don't have time for more tonight and I'm sure MB is dying to get to this one... . There's a leader, which we may or mey not want to save for ToE. We are a bit thin on defense still but a couple more factories will finish and attacking carefully will get us far. When (not if ) we've captured Richborough and Ngome we can easily cut off the Bab cavs.

The save is >>>> here <<<<

 

[Northern Pike]

Fine turns, Space Oddity.

Some suggestions in the new situation:

1. We should cash-rush all the libraries we're building, as an obvious contribution to the domination victory. With the war-chest Ted and Space have built up, we can easily afford this. (Parenthetically, the rest of you seem to have the patience of as regards waiting for our cities to get their first cultural expansions, but I don't. )

2. If we're ever going to return to greater-than-minimum research, now is the time. We could probably win without doing this, but we might find ourselves uncomfortably behind the Babylonians in technology with the game not quite won.

3. We're still quite a few turns from getting Scientific Method, and most or all of them will be war turns, so just hoarding the Great Leader we've got now seems too passive. I think we should form a third Sipahi army (into which two asterisked elites should go) with the Leader, qualify for the Pentagon, and build that.

4. We should build coal plants in some good cities which can complete them quickly, and above all in Brusa. The game may be almost over by the time we get Hoover.

 

[TedJackson]

I agree with points 1, 3 & 4. I'm not sure if we need to bother with 2.


Ted

 

[a space oddity]

Regarding point 2: If we want to take on the Babs at some point (just for the sake of it, eh Karasu ) it would be nice to be able to at at least the same tech level. or maybe I just don't want to be stupid....

I fully agree on 1 (I just wanted to leave some options open for the next players... )

As for 3, I agree too, just after I named the unit, I realised min science it would be too slow in coming to keep the leader, but if we go ahead with 2 we could be there sooner. Again options open...

At 4, suprisingly I don't agree, we really are a bit short on units. The rails is the only reason we can pull this one of, but we should watch our back. So if it was up to me I'ld build a few units first.

 

[Karasu]

So do I.
Incidentally, If we don't increase research we obviously don't need to freeze the leader for ToE (just to strenghten point 3).

I don't know where Hammurabi is up the tech tree, but my first feeling is that he will get to Replaceable Parts before we reach domination.
We can either speed up research a little bit to get to Electricity and then reassess the situation, or simply forget research and build a gazillion Sipahi to rely upon if we need to take some blue land...

 

[TedJackson]

We could stagger the Coal Plants, only having one being built at any one time. Part of the reason I went for a peaceful turn was to get those factories in so that we could produce units faster. Coal plants will up the ante again

I'm still undecided on the research issue but I guess it wouldn't hurt to invest a little more in Science.

Ted

 

[mad-bax]

Double post