New NESes, ideas, development, etc

[Dachs]

And it's in the wrong thread, anyway. We still have an Alternate History thread.

 

[Ninja Dude]

What would the battle of New Orleans have to do with the peace treaty the americans would accept, including possibly a provision in which the independance of the Native Americans was ensured? You guys really are taking away from the basis of the discussion, am I wrong? New Orleans or no New Orleans, the americans accepted a peace treaty with the british. To refresh everyone's memory, the question was at first "What about tecumseh keeping together the union".

And now we're adding to that idea Amon. Without the Americans taking heavy losses, they will continue fighting and win. By losing New Orleans, the Americans will realise they're losing more and more, and will be more eager to sign for peace. The British and Native Americans can use their desperation to make a treaty that ensures the Americans won't do as good as they did in real life.

 

[das]

Way to ignore the post immediately above yours. We need to keep the Alternate History thread going, damnit! Discuss those things and more in there!

 

[Arian]

Been thinking about some Star Trek NES. I attached a spreadsheet with some ideas. Have look at it if you like.

 

[Ninja Dude]

Way to ignore the post immediately above yours. We need to keep the Alternate History thread going, damnit! Discuss those things and more in there!

Gah! Wasn't paying much attention. I was kind of in a rush when I posted that, so I didn't really look at many posts. Perhaps I will look up this "Alternate History Thread" and see what it has to offer.

 

[Yui108]

I've been devoting a great deal of thought to this myself. It is interesting to contemplate -- the Chinese, Native Americans, and Indians all had very different "cosmovisions" as the anthropological term goes, than Europeans. Did European culture jumpstart the Industrial Revolution, or was the Industrial Revolution what jumpstarted European culture? Could the IR have happened without the Scientific Method to back it up? Suppose we did indeed have another culture that invents the basics of the Industrial Revolution -- would they have gone along the same path? I think most cultures had "science" of a sort, but the culture behind that science would drive it in a totally different direction...

I think the only way to solve this "problem" is to run an NES and see what would happen. Have Islam or China triumph by some contrivance, and see how the world develops. You'd need dedicated and intelligent players, of course...

One book I read seems to think that European dominance was ineveitable due to some sort of distribute of domesticatale farm type mammals.

 

[Oruc]

Nope!

 

[flyingchicken]

One book I read seems to think that European dominance was ineveitable due to some sort of distribute of domesticatale farm type mammals.

Jared Diamond was explicit in saying that it was Eurasian dominance that was inevitable because of the distribution of domesticable large mammals.

 

[Dachs]

Jared Diamond was explicit in saying that it was Eurasian dominance that was inevitable because of the distribution of domesticable large mammals.

Jared Diamond needs to learn how to write a book that doesn't assume it's attempting to prove something to a four year old. Read Mann.

 

[Yui108]

Jared Diamond was explicit in saying that it was Eurasian dominance that was inevitable because of the distribution of domesticable large mammals.

I'm sorry. Very, very sorry.

 

[Azale]

Jared Diamond needs to learn how to write a book that doesn't assume it's attempting to prove something to a four year old. Read Mann.

Some people are starting from the ground up. Read Diamond, then read Mann.

You can never read too much!

 

[Adrogans]

Some people are starting from the ground up. Read Diamond, then read Mann.

You can never read too much!

Yes you can, I've read a few things I wished I never had.

 

[LDiCesare]

Which Mann? Book name? 1491...?
I read Diamond btw, and Cosandey. Cosandey's theory proposes an explanation why Europe would have been dominant at the time (and why Greece was before), related to the fractal dimensionof the coasts at a scale relevant to the current technology.

 

[BananaLee]

I've been devoting a great deal of thought to this myself. It is interesting to contemplate -- the Chinese, Native Americans, and Indians all had very different "cosmovisions" as the anthropological term goes, than Europeans. Did European culture jumpstart the Industrial Revolution, or was the Industrial Revolution what jumpstarted European culture? Could the IR have happened without the Scientific Method to back it up? Suppose we did indeed have another culture that invents the basics of the Industrial Revolution -- would they have gone along the same path? I think most cultures had "science" of a sort, but the culture behind that science would drive it in a totally different direction

I'll just redirect you to my essay analysing this question on the Chinese. A dude named Elvin came up with the idea of the High Level Equilibrium Trap which attempts to explain the lack of an "Industrial Revolution" in China in spite of keeping up technologically for a good while.

Essentially, it was just the wrong inventions at the wrong time. But do give the essay a read.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=310279

 

[Masada]

Elvin

Malthus lite

 

[BananaLee]

No, Malthus contextualised

 

[Northen Wolf]

Spoiler :

removed, not worth your time---------------------

 

[Northen Wolf]

Sorry, for wastin' time.

 

[kenkrajen]

i plan on starting a Fall From Heaven NES in the summer, probably the back end of May, maybe earlier. instead of playing a civilization though you'll play an organization or faction. i've written up all the intro, and a lot of scrambled around ideas. i'm curious to see what ideas come up to fill in the holes in the rules.
when you read this, everything up until you see The Rules [Ideas] is going to be official, the rest are, well, ideas. being familiar with D&D 3.5 and the FFH2 mod will help. for when you read it, i'm on the verge of discarding the points and turn mechanics, so if you like it or come up with a way to make it workable let me know. this is mainly because i'm looking for a way to set up the faction check mechanic so that the players don't have to know D&D 3.5 rules.

 

[Yui108]

Sorry, for wastin' time.

? I quite enjoyed reading your ruleset. Why did you delete it?