New Unit: Tlecuahuitl

[spincrus]

matlequiquizoani. arquebusier. --> I guess that'd be it.

I think "Matlequiquizoani" isn't that hard at all. It's just an extremely long word, which might be the only problem when naming the units and all, but other than that, it's good.

 

[Ozymandias]

-- Is there any sense in shortening it to the commong root? I.e., instead of "matlequiquizoani = arquebusier" "matlequiquiztli = arquebus" how about:

Matlequiqui?

-Oz

 

[Steph]

Would you have Nahuatl translation for unit names that I could use in my mod instead of "Aztec spearman" "Aztec pikeman" "Aztec warrior", "Aztec archer", etc?

 

[Nahuixtelotzin]

Some useful words:
Warrior is "oquichtli" (plural: oquichtin)
Jaguar Warriors were simply called "ocelotl" (plural: oceloe or ocelotin) and Eagle Warriors "cuahtli" (pl.: cuauhte or cuauhtin)
Tlaminani=Archer
tlacochtli and mitl are words for spears, but also for darts and arrows
tetlacotl=club
macuahuitl=war club; wooden sword
Thus, I'd say:
Archer: Tlaminani
Warrior: Tetlacoquichtli (Club-Warrior) or Macuahuioquichtli (Those with the well known "Aztec sword" )
Spearman: Tlacochoquichtli (Spear-Warrior)
Pikeman: Huiactlacochoquichtli (Long-Spear-Warrior)


Hope this helps

 

[Steph]

Many thanks!

I may come to you again later to complete the list if you don't mind

 

[Steph]

Ok, here is my unit list for Aztec, if you could check it
- Tribal warrior (the one from Kinboat): Tetlacoquichtli
- Warrior (civ III standard): ?
- Macan warrior (replace swordsman) : Macuahuioquichtli
- Jaguar Warrior (replace man at arm) : ocelotl
- Aztec javeliner (replace spearman) : Tlacochoquichtli
- Pikeman (replace phalanx) : Huiactlacochoquichtli
- Heavy pikeman (replace pikeman): ?
- Early Archer : ?
- Late Archer (come at the same time as crossbowman): ?
- Arquebusier : matlequiquizoani

 

[Dom Pedro II]

Macuahuioquichtli (Those with the well known "Aztec sword" )

Beats my title of "Macuahuitl Man"... I knew the name of the weapons, but what I didn't know was what the users of these weapons would be called. Thanks!

 

[Gogf]

Macuahuioquichtli (Those with the well known "Aztec sword" )

Well, it could be a stone sword...

 

[Nahuixtelotzin]

Yaotlahueliloque was translated as "fierce warriors". (singular: yaotlahuelilotl) Maybe take this as standard warrior. Or simply Oquichtli
Early Archer: Tlaminani
Late Archer: Chicahuatlaminani (Chicahuac=developed; strong)

Heavy Pikeman: ?
Ichcahuipilli is the Aztec cotton armor, so maybe Ichcahuipilhuiactlacochoquichtli (=Cotton-Skirt-Long-Spear-Warrior) (Hey, it's not my fault that Nahuatl is an agglutinate language! )
or Chicahuahuiactlacochoquichtli...

 

[Kal-el]

What about Eagle Warriors?

 

[Dom Pedro II]

Eagle Warriors "cuahtli" (pl.: cuauhte or cuauhtin)

And if I wanted to make an archer siege weapon that uses the Tlemitl, would that be Tlemitltlaminani? Or Tlemitl Tlaminani?

 

[Steph]

Originally posted by Nahuixtelotzin
Ichcahuipilhuiactlacochoquichtli (=Cotton-Skirt-Long-Spear-Warrior) (Hey, it's not my fault that Nahuatl is an agglutinate language! )
or Chicahuahuiactlacochoquichtli...

Does someone know if there is a size limit to the name of units ?

 

[The Last Conformist]

When your on it, why not simply make a Nahuatl translation of the entire game?

What's "civilization" in Nahuatl anyway?

 

[Dom Pedro II]

Misread the question... a day later I realize.

 

[Nahuixtelotzin]

Originally posted by The Last Conformist
When your on it, why not simply make a Nahuatl translation of the entire game?

What's "civilization" in Nahuatl anyway?

Civilization would be probably Huehuetlatolli (Words of the Old Ones), which actually was used for the concept or "tradition", especially tradition of religious beliefs and technological knowledge, so...

 

[shadowplay]

Great pants. *pelvic thrust*

 

[frekk]

Good god! That's even more unpronouncable!

The problem is mostly the rendering ... Nahuatl was originally rendered into our alphabet by archaic Spaniards and contains many alphabetic artifacts of the era and place. For instance, "X" is used for a kind of "Sh" sound. Not knowing any native Nahuatl speakers, I would suspect that the Spanish "hui" sound is not a native sound, but an approximation by the Spanish of something else. You just have to break the words down into syllables and reform them in your mind into renderings more appropriate for a native English speaker of the modern era, and they become a lot less intimidating.

If you think Nahuatl is bad, wait til you see Welsh ... something simple like, "you are visiting the civilization fanatics web page" ends up being "ach yn gofwyo 'r gwareiddiad benboethiaid gwe dudalen" - and yes, like Nahuatl, the rendering is imperfect. "dd" is not a "d" sound, for instance, and some of the vowel combinations can represent sounds that do not exist in English!

Nahuixtelotzin can probably give a better idea of what some of the words would sound like, if they were rendered according to how they sound, without artifacts like the use of "X".

 

[Ozymandias]

If you think Nahuatl is bad, wait til you see Welsh ... something simple like, "you are visiting the civilization fanatics web page" ends up being "ach yn gofwyo 'r gwareiddiad benboethiaid gwe dudalen" - and yes, like Nahuatl, the rendering is imperfect. "dd" is not a "d" sound, for instance, and some of the vowel combinations can represent sounds that do not exist in English!

Yep, "dd" is pronounced "th".

-Oz

 

[QFred]

Very beautiful unit that has a good use!!!!
I like it very much!!
TO EVERY ONE THAT READS THIS: if you have Empires: DMW, PLEASE convert these units:
From the China: Ch'ing Musketeer, Thunder Boat, Barbarian Cannon and Manchu Spearman;
From the Korea: Falcon, Choson Trident, Twin-Sword Cavalryman, Rocket Cavalry, Gatling Gun, Turtle Boat and Thunder Crash Mortar;
From the England: Longswordsman, Highlander, Regular, Cavalier, Lancer, Cuirassier, Dragoon, Culverin, HMS Victory and Barge;
From the UK: Tommy, SAS Operative, MkV Tank, Crusader II Tank, APC, Amphibious Tank, Anti-Tank 38mm Gun, Ordnance 17 Pdr AT Gun,
BL 6 in. Howitzer, 37mm Bofors AA Gun, HMS Dreadnought, HMS King George V, K-class Submarine, Sopwith Camel, Spitfire, Handly Page Bomber, Lancanter Bomber, C-47 Dakota;
From the Franks: Fusilier, Grenadier, Chevalier, Crusader, Hussar, Lancier, Carabineer, Mounted Grenadier, Ballista, Montgolfier Balloon, Ribaud, Bombard, 12 Pounder, Cog Warship, La Couronne, Louis Royale and Fire Galley
continue...

 

[Supa]

What's the rapport ?!

If I'm not mistaken, it's the second time you've made a request like this.