Dude, there are enough idiots in OT for it to have been worthwhile.It was subtle, but it wasn't that subtle. "Everything was going fine til it wasn't" was kind of the give away.
Obama May Hold 'Kenyan, Anti-Colonial' Worldview
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Leonel
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Ok I think we might not be giving him the benefit of a doubt here. Maybe he has in his own mind a different idea of what anti-colonialism is, although the only definition I can think of is allowing a nation to be free from foreign domination.
Whiskey_Lord
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It isn't wise to write Gingrich off as an 'idiot.' He's a very shrewd politician who knows just what to say depending on who else is in the room.
Whiskey_Lord
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That is a much safer assumption.
It was an odd statement. The only thing I can get out of it is maybe he is trying to paint Obama as some sort of white people hating Mau Mau or something. Even if being anti-colonial was something to be ashamed of, it's certainly not really a relevant topic in American politics today.
dannyshenanigan
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I don't want to derail this thread too much, but I have a quick question. I notice that you and also the birthers seem to completely ignore the archived newspaper birth announcements for Obama. The absurdity that every one of these records could have in some way been secretly changed is astounding. It takes a special ammount of paranoia and self-delusion to believe in such a conspiracy.
Miles Teg
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Birther Response (taken from an actual birther site I read a while back): Yeah, but those newspapers will announce the birth of anyone who asks to be put in.
Sane Person counter-response: And they went to all the bother of faking this why again?
Anyways, "anti-colonial" seems to be a pretty obvious dog whistle phrasing of "he hates white people".
dannyshenanigan
Emperor
Wait a minute.... so they think that 49 years ago someone made phony birth announcements in the off chance that Barack Obama would grow up and become president?
Also I worked at a newspaper and I know that birth announcements have to be corroborated by the hospital. This was true even 49 years ago.
The level of delusion required to believe in this conspiracy is an honest sign of mental illness.
KmDubya
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The argument made by the birthers is summed up as follows:
1.) The "certificate of live birth" shown in the spoiler in this thread is not a birth certificate. A "certificate of live birth" could be obtained for births that occurred at a home (as in not in a hospital) or even to Hawaiian (sp?) citizens who gave birth in another state or country. None of us were there so we can not definitvely say what did or did not occur.
2.) The birth notices in the newspapers are routinely placed in hometowns by grandparents and do not proove that the birth was in Hawai.
All of these arguments and theories can be dispelled with the "long form birth certificate". The long form has additional information including the place of birth, time and attending physician.
It just appears odd that if posting one simple document could silence all the birthers, why has it not been done?
In defense of Newt's statements about Obama's world view being shaped by his early role models I believe that is the case. Everyone is influenced by the beliefs of their parents, for good or bad.
If someone grows up in a home where they salute the flag, join the boy scouts, whose parents served in the military, they are more likely to be patriotic and serve in the military. Or they might go 180 degrees and become an America hating hippie
If someone grew up in foreign countries, attended Islamic Madrassas and whose parents were counter-culture activists it might be safe to say that they would have a different world view than someone who grew up in Texas.
1.) The "certificate of live birth" shown in the spoiler in this thread is not a birth certificate. A "certificate of live birth" could be obtained for births that occurred at a home (as in not in a hospital) or even to Hawaiian (sp?) citizens who gave birth in another state or country. None of us were there so we can not definitvely say what did or did not occur.
2.) The birth notices in the newspapers are routinely placed in hometowns by grandparents and do not proove that the birth was in Hawai.
All of these arguments and theories can be dispelled with the "long form birth certificate". The long form has additional information including the place of birth, time and attending physician.
It just appears odd that if posting one simple document could silence all the birthers, why has it not been done?
In defense of Newt's statements about Obama's world view being shaped by his early role models I believe that is the case. Everyone is influenced by the beliefs of their parents, for good or bad.
If someone grows up in a home where they salute the flag, join the boy scouts, whose parents served in the military, they are more likely to be patriotic and serve in the military. Or they might go 180 degrees and become an America hating hippie
If someone grew up in foreign countries, attended Islamic Madrassas and whose parents were counter-culture activists it might be safe to say that they would have a different world view than someone who grew up in Texas.
Luckymoose
The World is Mine
I'm a fan of colonialism. Want to compare how far Africa came during the colonial period as compared to the second half of the 20th century anyone? Parts of the world would do better if recolonized.
dannyshenanigan
Emperor
As I pointed out, birth announcements have to be corroborated by the hospital. This has always been the case. I know because I worked at a newspaper for several years.
As for the "long form" birth certificate, that myth has been dispelled.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
I know right? For the same reason I wonder why another well known American icon with questions swirling around his past has not come out and refuted the rumors when it would be so easy to do so. I am speaking of course of Glenn Beck, who has not just come out and stated, for the record, that he did not rape and murder a young girl in 1990. Just a simple "no, I Glenn Beck did not rape and murder a young girl in 1990" would suffice to quell the ongoing questions, such as those posed here here and here, as to whether Glenn Beck did, in fact, rape and murder a young girl in 1990. Posting one single word or document detailing his innocence would silence his critics. Why has it not been done?
KmDubya
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Danny the fact check article is talking about the "certificate of live birth" which is a different document than the "long form birth certificate.
Have you ever seen your long form birth certificate? I have and it has alot more info than the certificate of live birth or "short form". My parents had a copy of the long form that they got from the hospital when i was born. It was lost in a fire. The replacement birth certificate was a short form one that had the raised seal and all that and was used and accepted in obtaining every form of ID - drivers license, passport etc.
Regardless Obama is a dual citizen of both the US and Britain based on his father. To attend Islamic Madrassas in Indonesia required Barry Soetoro to be an Indonesion citizen. Another mystery is how he went to Pakistan in the early 80's when travel there by Americans was restricted? What passport did he use since it was not an American one?
Where there is smoke there is fire. Too many things do not add up. Any other candidate would have been vetted by the press or by his opponents but nobody wanted to risk being called a racist so Obama got a free pass. After eight years of Bush the progressives were blindly worshipping the "anointed one", he who would "heal the planet and the oceans". No one wanted to hear or discuss anything that disparaged the chosen one.
Have you ever seen your long form birth certificate? I have and it has alot more info than the certificate of live birth or "short form". My parents had a copy of the long form that they got from the hospital when i was born. It was lost in a fire. The replacement birth certificate was a short form one that had the raised seal and all that and was used and accepted in obtaining every form of ID - drivers license, passport etc.
Regardless Obama is a dual citizen of both the US and Britain based on his father. To attend Islamic Madrassas in Indonesia required Barry Soetoro to be an Indonesion citizen. Another mystery is how he went to Pakistan in the early 80's when travel there by Americans was restricted? What passport did he use since it was not an American one?
Where there is smoke there is fire. Too many things do not add up. Any other candidate would have been vetted by the press or by his opponents but nobody wanted to risk being called a racist so Obama got a free pass. After eight years of Bush the progressives were blindly worshipping the "anointed one", he who would "heal the planet and the oceans". No one wanted to hear or discuss anything that disparaged the chosen one.
KmDubya
King
Illram,
I have only watched the Glen Beck show once. I have no clue about any controversy concerning him.
Also I agree that if one document can clear it all up it should be disclosed. If he did rape someone that should be out in the public so that people could condemn him for being a lying hypocrite and a evil person.
I have only watched the Glen Beck show once. I have no clue about any controversy concerning him.
Also I agree that if one document can clear it all up it should be disclosed. If he did rape someone that should be out in the public so that people could condemn him for being a lying hypocrite and a evil person.
Miles Teg
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But kind of irrelevant, since the government of Hawaii has confirmed that they have the records, and a Certificate of Live Birth is sufficient legal proof.
Actually, no. Back to FactCheck. Obama was could claim citizenship in the UK until roughly the age of 2. Then he could claim Kenyan citizenship. He never exercised that right, so after his 23rd birthday, he is now considered a citizen of the United States, and nowhere else.
I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but Obama never attended any sort of "Islamic Madrassa". He went to Catholic School for some time, and also went to public school in Indonesia, where classes on Islam and other religions are offered.
There were no restrictions on travels to Pakistan in 1981, when Obama paid the country a visit. The State Department did advise Americans against it, but all the warnings they issued were strictly advisory and non-binding.
dannyshenanigan
Emperor
I'm glad that your not an actual birther, but I don't know why you feel compelled to defend them in any way.
Hawaiian Department of Health spokeswoman Janice Okubo stated that Hawaii "does not have a short-form or long-form certificate". Moreover, the director of her Department has confirmed that the state "has Sen. Obamas original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures."
http://archives.starbulletin.com/content/20090606_kokua_line
Cu Chulainn
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If you defend birthers, you are a birther.
