Outside Agitators!! Think YOu Can Ruin Our Happy Valley!

[MobBoss]

You people obviously have no clue what is being called for out here. You people obviously have no clue what it is in the power of the state and federal government to do. You people obviously have no clue what it is in the power of the courts to do. Anybody who relies on federal loans, scholarships, or can just barely pay their tuition, right now, is at risk. If people out here get what they want, if some politicians get what they want...we're finished. Have any of you been listening to what is being said? Have any of you seen any of the protests? Maybe you're not from Pennsylvania, but we're a few pitchforks and a handful of torches short of mob rule, out here, over this issue. People want blood. I have instructors seriously worried about losing their jobs. These are smart people. People with Ph.Ds. And you want to tell me I have nothing to be afraid of? You want to tell me that its imaginary?

To quote Judge Smails: 'The world needs ditch-diggers too'.

 

[downtown]

Do you actually read posts or do you just make it up as you go along? I said, "barely pay" and have already explained that Penn State is the only local campus there is. I can't drive to Bloomsburg. I can't drive to Reading. I can't drive to Allentown. I can't drive to Harrisburg. I worked twelve hours a night. I can barely walk after that.

Sure you can, you just can't do it where you live and with your current job. You can always move, which is what most people do when they're going to college. You can borrow money above tuition to pay for your living expenses while you go as well. Depending on how long you have left and what you are studying, this may make the most sense.

This isn't uncommon, it happens to lots of people who live in small towns, when circumstances change at the local university.

Okay, fine. So, I and thousands of other students are going to have to be sacrificed on the altar of revenge and be made another victim of Jerry Sandusky.

Stop being so melodramatic, thousands aren't being sacrificed. If the worst case scenario happens and FAFSA use is temporarily suspended, then students will either use private loans to pay for the extra few thousand dollars, or Penn State will tap into their endowment to pay for the difference, or they go to a different PA school. They will make every effort to make sure that 20,000 don't transfer.

Just like the janitors and secretaries at MF Global, Enron, Lehman, etc. It's a risk you take.

And tuition will double, because thousands of students won't be able to go to Penn State without federal loans. If they all try to transfer, then there won't be enough room at other schools. The decrease in supply of seats, elsewhere, will result in a rise in tuition. You are going to sacrifice thousands of kids for the sake of getting even.

The first people to transfer will be out of state kids. There is plenty of room to absorb even half of Penn State leaving, which the university will take every effort to prevent.

You people obviously have no clue what is being called for out here. You people obviously have no clue what it is in the power of the state and federal government to do. You people obviously have no clue what it is in the power of the courts to do. Anybody who relies on federal loans, scholarships, or can just barely pay their tuition, right now, is at risk. If people out here get what they want, if some politicians get what they want...we're finished. Have any of you been listening to what is being said? Have any of you seen any of the protests? Maybe you're not from Pennsylvania, but we're a few pitchforks and a handful of torches short of mob rule, out here, over this issue. People want blood. I have instructors seriously worried about losing their jobs. These are smart people. People with Ph.Ds. And you want to tell me I have nothing to be afraid of? You want to tell me that its imaginary?

I write about Big Ten football professionally, so I feel pretty comfortable in saying I know whats going on here. People are going to be inconvenienced, but this isn't Armageddon. Nothing is likely to happen for at least a year anyway, so there is plenty of time to plan

Yea, cause that's what I said
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\well...yeah, that is kinda what you said.

To quote Judge Smails: 'The world needs ditch-diggers too'.

Now thats a dick move.

 

[Slobadog]

Wow, some people care more about football than stopping child molesters. Screw you.

I'm always impressed by how seriously my non serious posts are taken sometimes. I really don't think i do a good a job being subtle but.......oh well

And otherwise I'm also impressed with others ability to fix my bad threads and turn them into useful discussion.


On another note: Well i'm in the rural outskirts. 20-30 minutes away. So i'm not in downtown all thetime. But the place still seems the typical pretty low key. Same way in the newspaper. Social chaos seems exaggerated. Paterno riot last year was actually a unsual thing and kinda small. Actually being too low key is how this problem continued isn't it. Everything seems peaceful so no one imagines that anybodys being messed with. Culture of cover up eh also a culture of everthings happy. Yes problem. Shake up might be good for the community.

 

[classical_hero]

Who said actions don't have consequences? All it took was the actions of a few men to cause a lot of trouble. It seems like we need to keep an eye on those in authority since they can do so much damage to those under them.

 

[cav scout]

WRONG. I....I....didn't break any law or act.

And there is no transfer for me. I am an adult who works full-time. If I can't go to Penn State. I can't go, period.

Oh boohoo. You've never heard about folks having to move on to a different job or experience turbulence due to no fault of their own? That's life!

Also- I'm sure you had absolutely nothing to do with the horrid crimes committed at your organization. But they did occur and now the organization has to face the consequences. If the posts where you minimize these crimes and attack the victims are for real then you are just as despicable and selfish as Paterno.

 

[emzie]

This thread has just been fantastic. Someone poke JohnRM more. It's hilarious.

 

[NickyJ]

 

[Zelig]

Hold people who where in charge individually responsible.

In terms of sanctions, it makes more sense to sanction the NCAA as a whole than it does to do anything to the educational institution.

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

http://www.cpusa.org/

'The world needs ditch-diggers too'.

The dichotomy: it is apparent.

 

[RebelYeller]

JohnRM, just think. What else bad things is the schooling covering up. Maybe you don't wanna stay there and get negativly affected by it. If you do leave you're really not being the odd one out. Its been done many times before. The whole of Florida had to up and leave left a organization once.

 

[JohnRM]

Sure you can, you just can't do it where you live and with your current job. You can always move, which is what most people do when they're going to college. You can borrow money above tuition to pay for your living expenses while you go as well. Depending on how long you have left and what you are studying, this may make the most sense.

This isn't uncommon, it happens to lots of people who live in small towns, when circumstances change at the local university.



Stop being so melodramatic, thousands aren't being sacrificed. If the worst case scenario happens and FAFSA use is temporarily suspended, then students will either use private loans to pay for the extra few thousand dollars, or Penn State will tap into their endowment to pay for the difference, or they go to a different PA school. They will make every effort to make sure that 20,000 don't transfer.

Just like the janitors and secretaries at MF Global, Enron, Lehman, etc. It's a risk you take.


The first people to transfer will be out of state kids. There is plenty of room to absorb even half of Penn State leaving, which the university will take every effort to prevent.


I write about Big Ten football professionally, so I feel pretty comfortable in saying I know whats going on here. People are going to be inconvenienced, but this isn't Armageddon. Nothing is likely to happen for at least a year anyway, so there is plenty of time to plan

\well...yeah, that is kinda what you said.

Now thats a dick move.

No, you're right. I overreacted. I just had people breathing down my neck all week about this crap and I just don't want to hear it anymore. I don't know what's going on just because I happen to go to Penn State. I don't have any idea who some of these people are. I'm sick of people looking at me as if I'm some kind of representative of the school. Every instructor I've had this summer has been talking about having to find another job, its just insane. But, you're right, if the worst happens, I will figure something out, because I will be a ditch digger long enough to finish college or buy a 6' length of rope. One or the other.

 

[Dachs]

Relevant comment:

[21:24:17] <[censored]> YOU GOT RAPED? WELL BOO [CENSORED] HOO, BOOTSTRAPS

 

[Angst]

Uh WTH is this thread

 

[peter grimes]

Trying to make up all these lies about Paterno. Well just you know. We know what your up too! And were still happy and we are still PENN STATE!

Yes, lies. He was a as much of a saint as your average Catholic bishop:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/14/s...her-contract-amid-jerry-sandusky-inquiry.html

In January 2011, Joe Paterno learned prosecutors were investigating his longtime assistant coach Jerry Sandusky for sexually assaulting young boys...

That same month, Mr. Paterno, the football coach at Penn State, began negotiating with his superiors to amend his contract, with the timing something of a surprise because the contract was not set to expire until the end of 2012...

By August, Mr. Paterno and the university’s president, both of whom were by then embroiled in the Sandusky investigation, had reached an agreement....

In the end, the board of trustees — bombarded with hate mail and threatened with a defamation lawsuit by Mr. Paterno’s family — gave the family virtually everything it wanted, with a package worth roughly $5.5 million.

The university’s full board of trustees was kept in the dark about the arrangement until November, when Mr. Sandusky was arrested and the contract arrangements, along with so much else at Penn State, were upended.

The details of Mr. Paterno and his family’s fight for money seem to deepen one of the lasting truths of the Sandusky scandal: the significant power that Mr. Paterno exerted on the state institution, its officials, its alumni and its purse strings.

According to university records, Mr. Paterno first expressed a desire to revisit his contract in January 2011. It was very early in that month that he learned he had been subpoenaed to testify before the Sandusky grand jury.

Rotten. The whole thing is rotten to the core, and Paterno is a key enabler.

Why doesn't the OP post some examples of lies that outside agitators are spreading - all I'm seeing in this story is stuff that festered from within Penn State itself - crimes that could have and should have been stopped more than a decade ago.

 

[MobBoss]

Now thats a dick move.

a. It is still true...and fwiw, 'ditch diggers' i.e. heavy equipment operators, make a fairly decent wage. Point being, a college degree isnt the only path to fiscal success in this nation.
b. Its not nearly as much a dick move as saying victims of rape are merely out to make money via their victimization.

 

[Core Imposter]

No, you're right. I overreacted. I just had people breathing down my neck all week about this crap and I just don't want to hear it anymore. I don't know what's going on just because I happen to go to Penn State. I don't have any idea who some of these people are. I'm sick of people looking at me as if I'm some kind of representative of the school. Every instructor I've had this summer has been talking about having to find another job, its just insane. But, you're right, if the worst happens, I will figure something out, because I will be a ditch digger long enough to finish college or buy a 6' length of rope. One or the other.

John,

I respect what you are trying to do with your life and I will be rooting for you to get through this and attain your goals.

We live in the age of the Modern Mob. Senseless and souless it seeks to slake its thirst for misery sharing by devoring whatever its eye passes over.

The Mob finds solace in the destruction of others and status by stomping its boot on the necks of its target.

Steer clear as best you can and never give up.

 

[sophie]

b. Its not nearly as much a dick move as saying victims of rape are merely out to make money via their victimization.

lol. Nice deflection there.

 

[JohnRM]

a. It is still true...and fwiw, 'ditch diggers' i.e. heavy equipment operators, make a fairly decent wage. Point being, a college degree isnt the only path to fiscal success in this nation.
b. Its not nearly as much a dick move as saying victims of rape are merely out to make money via their victimization.

Apparently you missed the part where I said, "and its not even their fault", referring to the kids, themselves. I don't blame the kids. I blame the people intent on getting justice for them by looting whomever they can, even at the expense of thousands of other children.

 

[ParkCungHee]

Still waiting on an answer of why we should feel bad for kids who voluntarily associated themselves with criminals.

 

[Ailedhoo]