Polygamy, right or wrong?

[MobBoss]

Chapter and verse, man. I'm willing to listen. For what it's worth, I'm largely with Eran on this issue, but I don't think there's anything in the Gospels explicitly applicable to it.

Seriously? You're discussing and making comments on what Jesus said about marriage, and then ask for 'chapter and verse'? On my way out to work right now, so dont have time to look it up for you. But he certainly isnt silent on marriage, or what the Godly ideal of it is.

Yes, but he did so in 1st-Century Judea, so it's pretty hard to imagine him saying anything else. In the same way, all of his disciples were men, but that doesn't mean that nowadays women shouldn't hold equal status in the Church; it just happened that in those days it was the norm for men to take on such positions. I've always thought that going by what God would want for his people is the best idea - I can rather imagine somebody standing before him at their final judgement and being asked 'what possessed you to think I supported that?'

You mention 'norm's, Jesus indicates that there is indeed a Godly 'norm' where marriage is concerned. Again, it may be 1 Century Judea, but Jesus also talks against other practices common at the time - divorce, and his example isnt ever polygamous, but of 1 man and 1 woman being Godly.

As to your last question, if asked, then we can point to his word and say 'this did'.

He probably declared "Man marries women" because he thought Adam was given Eve four thousand years earlier. In the very same passage, he points out that there are some people to whom his 'rule of thumb' doesn't apply.

He was quite clear Gods word applies to everyone. It certainly wasnt a 'rule of thumb' with him in any way.

I agree with your arguments for the most part, but remember that there was a bit more to Sodom and Gomorrah than just gay marriage (And they probly didn't even have gay marriage)

Absolutely, and sexual sin is hardly the only sin our modern society deals with either.

 

[_random_]

Seriously? You're discussing and making comments on what Jesus said about marriage, and then ask for 'chapter and verse'? On my way out to work right now, so dont have time to look it up for you. But he certainly isnt silent on marriage, or what the Godly ideal of it is.

I know that he had a great deal to say about marriage, but I'm not aware of much specifically pertinent to this topic.

I agree with your arguments for the most part, but remember that there was a bit more to Sodom and Gomorrah than just gay marriage (And they probly didn't even have gay marriage)

Yeah even the Genesis account doesn't put a whole lot of emphasis on the homosexuality angle, and the Bible explains why Sodom got what it did in some detail later on.

Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.

Oh sh-

 

[MobBoss]

I know that he had a great deal to say about marriage, but I'm not aware of much specifically pertinent to this topic.

Marriage isnt pertinent to this topic? I think it is the topic, dont you?

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Jesus, take it away my man!

"No one knows, however, when that day and hour will come-- neither the angels in heaven nor the Son, for the Father alone knows. The coming of the Son of Man will be like what happened in the time of Noah. In the days before the flood people ate and drank, men and women married, up to the very day Noah went on the boat; yet they did not realize what was happening until the flood came and swept them all away. That is how it will be when the Son of Man comes."

Was that about marriage?

"Yeah"

Do you have anything more straight-forward?

"Moses wrote that commandment (permission for a man to write a divorce notice and send his wife away) for you because of your stubbornness. At the beginning of creation God made them male and female; for this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh. They are no longer two but one. So man must not separate what God has joined together."

That's more like it. Anything else?

“Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank You that I am not like other men—extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this tax collector. I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I possess.’ And the tax collector, standing afar off, would not so much as raise his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me a sinner!’ I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.”

Oh deep. I see what you did there.

 

[_random_]

Marriage isnt pertinent to this topic? I think it is the topic, dont you?

The topic is quite a bit more specific than just "marriage." It's "Should polygamy (and gay marriage because somebody just had to drag it into the conversation) be legal and/or accepted by society at large?" and I really can't think of anything in the Gospels that directly answers that. You have some condemnations of divorce and some speculating about widows and the Final Resurrection that Jesus effectively hushes, but that's about it.

 

[Core Imposter]

Come one folks. This is clearly a States Rights issue. Not a Federal case.

/thread

 

[Commodore]

The same could be said about those pushing for same sex marriage, since they are pushing their morals on us.

How are the pro-same sex marriage crowd forcing their morals on you exactly? Are they going to force you to be gay? Are they going to tell you that you can only marry someone of the same sex?

The answer is no they will not. If gay marriage is legal, it doesn't affect your beliefs at all. You still have the ability to live your life in whatever way your beliefs dictate. Banning gay marriage, however, prevents a group in our society from living their lives the way they want for no other reason than it offends your religious sensibilities.

Face it, there is no legitimate argument you can make to justify putting any kind of religious morality into law. That crap has no place in a modern society. Believe what you want, but don't try to make your beliefs the law of the land.

 

[holy king]

Polygamy, it should be banned.

the practice? why the hell would you want that?

 

[El_Machinae]

He probably declared "Man marries women" because he thought Adam was given Eve four thousand years earlier. In the very same passage, he points out that there are some people to whom his 'rule of thumb' doesn't apply.

"Moses wrote that commandment (permission for a man to write a divorce notice and send his wife away) for you because of your stubbornness. At the beginning of creation God made them male and female; for this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh. They are no longer two but one. So man must not separate what God has joined together."

Right, but like I said, Jesus doesn't seem to think that this suggestion applies to everyone, and there might be natural reasons why it doesn't apply.

“Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others—and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.”

 

[holy king]

Why is he a heretic?

because his bible interpretation is neither orthodox nor catholic, the only christian sects who have a claim on being the original.

 

[holy king]

Historically speaking, it was his wives that led to his downfall. Just sayin.

yeah, that's kinda what the song is about.

 

[Leonel]

I don't see anything wrong with marrying outside your own town, so long as you are marrying within your race and religion. Unless you are talking about something unthinkable like marrying a Canadian?

Not so fast, heathen! Num 36:3! Even if you're in the same country, if you marry between towns, God's inheritance for those towns will be taken away and the population thrown into a pit of burning sulfur for their wicked ways!

Also HAHAHA oh wow, against interracial marriages too?
_{But seriously I'm curious as to why interracial marriages shouldn't allowed}

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

@El mac, they must have 'accidentaly' left that out on the site I found that, and all those people who quote that must be unaware of that part. As was I. Thanks!

 

[Dachs]

because his bible interpretation is neither orthodox nor catholic, the only christian sects who have a claim on being the original.

Nah, just Orthodox.

 

[Flying Pig]

I'm not sure that 'the first idea is the best idea' is really a good way to do business

 

[Eran of Arcadia]

I'm not sure that 'the first idea is the best idea' is really a good way to do business

All the more reason to allow polygamy, then . . .

 

[Cutlass]

I don't see anything wrong with marrying outside your own town, so long as you are marrying within your race and religion. Unless you are talking about something unthinkable like marrying a Canadian?

Why are race and religion of any importance in marriage?

 

[Hitti-Litti]

Why are race and religion of any importance in marriage?

Why is sex/gender of any importance in marriage?

 

[Berzerker]

Just seems awfully arrogant for me to "tell" everyone else who they can or cannot marry when its consensual, threatening people with violence because some guys or gals want to marry more than one person cant be justified.

 

[El_Machinae]

All the more reason to allow polygamy, then . . .

I laughed and laughed and laughed.

I even teared up a bit ....