I wonder if Russia used missile with cluster warhead in Odessa beach and killed a bunch of children there, would you blame Ukraine for failing to protect them.
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No, I'll blame NATO for that (ie failing to protect them)
saamohod
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1. Russia levels whole cities and towns along with remaining civilians - no outrage from Russians; the process of leveling of Ukrainians cities is ongoing in this very moment: Vovchansk, Chasiv Yar, Pokrovsk and dozens of other towns and villages.
2. Some reckless beachgoers get hurt or killed because they chose to take vacation in annexed Crimea next to an air defense battery or military base - Russia mad!
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I see nothing unusual about it.
Ukrainians celebrate their victories, and deplore their opponents for defeats and losses.
Russians do the same.
that is quite a disgusting false equivalence here.
According to Mykhailo Podolyak, an adviser to the head of the Office of the President of Ukraine, there "cannot be any "beaches" and "tourist zones" in Crimea.
And the beachgoers are "civilian occupants"
menafn.com
At least he stopped short of saying the kids were legitimate military target.
And the beachgoers are "civilian occupants"
Podolyak On Explosions In Crimea: There Cannot Be Any 'Beaches' And 'Tourist Zones' On Peninsula
There cannot be any beaches, tourist zones and other fictitious signs of peaceful life in Crimea, temporarily occupied by the Russians. <
At least he stopped short of saying the kids were legitimate military target.
saamohod
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Nope. We're defending against an invasion, Russians perform that invasion.
Why is false equivalence the favourive fallacy among Putin's bootlickers?
Also, no Russian city is destroyed or damaged even remotely close to what is happening to Ukrainian cities.
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Zelensky dismisses Lieutenant General accused by soldiers of heavy losses
President Volodymyr Zelensky announced on June 24 that he had replaced the Commander of the Joint Forces of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, Lieutenant General Yurii Sodol, with Brigadier General Andrii Hnatov.
Lieutenant Colonel Bohdan Krotevych, one of the Azov Brigade's commanders, said on June 23 that he filed an official complaint to the State Bureau of Investigation calling for an investigation of one of the generals.
"I wrote to the SBI calling for an investigation into one military general, who, in my opinion, has killed more Ukrainian soldiers than any Russian general," he wrote.
He did not specify the general's name.
According to Ukrainska Pravda's undisclosed sources, the general in question was Sodol.
In his evening address, Zelensky did not mention the reasons for Sodol's dismissal.
Sodol has been the Commander of the Joint Forces since Feb. 11, 2024. He also headed the "Donetsk" operational command in 2023.
Hnatov, who replaced Sodol, had previously served as the Deputy Commander of the Southern Operational Command since 2022.
Following the announcement, Krotevych wrote, "Hnatov is a very good officer. I hope the news at the front will get better."
kyivindependent.com
President Volodymyr Zelensky announced on June 24 that he had replaced the Commander of the Joint Forces of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, Lieutenant General Yurii Sodol, with Brigadier General Andrii Hnatov.
Lieutenant Colonel Bohdan Krotevych, one of the Azov Brigade's commanders, said on June 23 that he filed an official complaint to the State Bureau of Investigation calling for an investigation of one of the generals.
"I wrote to the SBI calling for an investigation into one military general, who, in my opinion, has killed more Ukrainian soldiers than any Russian general," he wrote.
He did not specify the general's name.
According to Ukrainska Pravda's undisclosed sources, the general in question was Sodol.
In his evening address, Zelensky did not mention the reasons for Sodol's dismissal.
Sodol has been the Commander of the Joint Forces since Feb. 11, 2024. He also headed the "Donetsk" operational command in 2023.
Hnatov, who replaced Sodol, had previously served as the Deputy Commander of the Southern Operational Command since 2022.
Following the announcement, Krotevych wrote, "Hnatov is a very good officer. I hope the news at the front will get better."
Zelensky dismisses Lieutenant General accused by soldiers of heavy losses
President Volodymyr Zelensky announced on June 24 that he had replaced the Commander of the Joint Forces of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, Lieutenant General Yurii Sodol, with Brigadier General Andrii Hnatov.
Senethro
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Zelensky dismisses Lieutenant General accused by soldiers of heavy losses
President Volodymyr Zelensky announced on June 24 that he had replaced the Commander of the Joint Forces of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, Lieutenant General Yurii Sodol, with Brigadier General Andrii Hnatov.
Lieutenant Colonel Bohdan Krotevych, one of the Azov Brigade's commanders, said on June 23 that he filed an official complaint to the State Bureau of Investigation calling for an investigation of one of the generals.
"I wrote to the SBI calling for an investigation into one military general, who, in my opinion, has killed more Ukrainian soldiers than any Russian general," he wrote.
He did not specify the general's name.
According to Ukrainska Pravda's undisclosed sources, the general in question was Sodol.
In his evening address, Zelensky did not mention the reasons for Sodol's dismissal.
Sodol has been the Commander of the Joint Forces since Feb. 11, 2024. He also headed the "Donetsk" operational command in 2023.
Hnatov, who replaced Sodol, had previously served as the Deputy Commander of the Southern Operational Command since 2022.
Following the announcement, Krotevych wrote, "Hnatov is a very good officer. I hope the news at the front will get better."
Zelensky dismisses Lieutenant General accused by soldiers of heavy losses
President Volodymyr Zelensky announced on June 24 that he had replaced the Commander of the Joint Forces of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, Lieutenant General Yurii Sodol, with Brigadier General Andrii Hnatov.
May your neighbors become aware of your opinions!
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Interesting that both sides have accused each other, but no formal request for investigation has been lodged by either side. Maybe just propaganda tit-for-tat?
Ukraine war latest: Russia increases use of chemical weapons on battlefield, Kyiv says
Ukraine recorded 715 cases of Russian chemical weapons use on the battlefield in May, 271 more than in the previous month, the Ukrainian military's Support Forces said on June 24.
In a post on Facebook, the Support Forces said most cases were of CS gas, also referred to as tear gas and typically used as a crowd-control agent by law enforcement agencies around the world.
Although less lethal than other chemical weapons, it was used extensively in World War I before the 1925 Geneva Protocol prohibited the use of chemical and biological weapons in war.
The Support Forces said that, from Feb. 15, 2023 to May 24, 2024, a total of 2,698 cases had been recorded which had led to 1,385 incidents of Ukrainian soldiers needing medical attention.
Ukrainian military officials have previously accused Russia of using chloropicrin and other chemical weapons.
Chloropicrin is often used as an herbicide. According to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control (CDC), exposure to its vapors can cause severe irritation to the skin, eyes, and, if inhaled, internal organs.
The Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) said on May 7 that accusations from both Ukraine and Russia that the other has used chemical weapons during the full-scale invasion remain "insufficiently substantiated."
"Both the Russian Federation and Ukraine have accused one another and reported allegations of use of chemical weapons to the organization," the OPCW said in a statement.
"The information provided to the organization so far by both sides, together with the information available to the secretariat, is insufficiently substantiated."
The OPCW said the situation "remains volatile and extremely concerning" and reiterated that it was against international law to use "riot control agents at war on the battlefield."
The organization also noted it had not received official requests to investigate the use of chemical weapons from either Ukraine or Russia.
kyivindependent.com
Ukraine war latest: Russia increases use of chemical weapons on battlefield, Kyiv says
Ukraine recorded 715 cases of Russian chemical weapons use on the battlefield in May, 271 more than in the previous month, the Ukrainian military's Support Forces said on June 24.
In a post on Facebook, the Support Forces said most cases were of CS gas, also referred to as tear gas and typically used as a crowd-control agent by law enforcement agencies around the world.
Although less lethal than other chemical weapons, it was used extensively in World War I before the 1925 Geneva Protocol prohibited the use of chemical and biological weapons in war.
The Support Forces said that, from Feb. 15, 2023 to May 24, 2024, a total of 2,698 cases had been recorded which had led to 1,385 incidents of Ukrainian soldiers needing medical attention.
Ukrainian military officials have previously accused Russia of using chloropicrin and other chemical weapons.
Chloropicrin is often used as an herbicide. According to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control (CDC), exposure to its vapors can cause severe irritation to the skin, eyes, and, if inhaled, internal organs.
The Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) said on May 7 that accusations from both Ukraine and Russia that the other has used chemical weapons during the full-scale invasion remain "insufficiently substantiated."
"Both the Russian Federation and Ukraine have accused one another and reported allegations of use of chemical weapons to the organization," the OPCW said in a statement.
"The information provided to the organization so far by both sides, together with the information available to the secretariat, is insufficiently substantiated."
The OPCW said the situation "remains volatile and extremely concerning" and reiterated that it was against international law to use "riot control agents at war on the battlefield."
The organization also noted it had not received official requests to investigate the use of chemical weapons from either Ukraine or Russia.
Ukraine war latest: Russia increases use of chemical weapons on battlefield, Kyiv says
Key developments on June 24: * Ukraine reports increase in Russian chemical weapons attacks on battlefield * Zelensky dismisses Lieutenant General accused by soldiers of heavy losses * Russian saboteurs likely behind arson attack on German factory, security officials tell WSJ * EU Council...
It is, they've started that war, and now they go high and mighty and are threatening the US after 4 civilian were killed when a missile was intercepted over a beach near the biggest military base in Crimea...
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... while they've killed more than 10,500 Ukrainian civilians since the beginning of the war, lately a lot from glide bombs that can't be intercepted and yet fall on civilians, which seems quite deliberate (video was posted earlier in the thread)
Ukraine: Report reveals war’s long-term impact which will be felt ‘for generations’
Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine, entering its third year, has exacted a “horrific human cost”, inflicting immense suffering on millions of civilians that will be felt “for generations”, UN human rights chief Volker Türk said on Thursday.
"we kill 10 thousands people, so what ? you kill 4, how dare you ?"
Comrade Ceasefire
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That was their response for what happened on one day. You are equating what happened over the entire course of the war with what happened yesterday. They have expressed anger before for what they perceived as worthy of it. Just as Ukraine has expressed grief and anger on multiple occasions for what they saw as warranting it.It is, they've started that war, and now they go high and mighty and are threatening the US after 4 civilian were killed when a missile was intercepted over a beach near the biggest military base in Crimea...
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... while they've killed more than 10,500 Ukrainian civilians since the beginning of the war, lately a lot from glide bombs that can't be intercepted and yet fall on civilians, which seems quite deliberate (video was posted earlier in the thread)
Ukraine: Report reveals war’s long-term impact which will be felt ‘for generations’
Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine, entering its third year, has exacted a “horrific human cost”, inflicting immense suffering on millions of civilians that will be felt “for generations”, UN human rights chief Volker Türk said on Thursday.news.un.org
"we kill 10 thousands people, so what ? you kill 4, how dare you ?"
It's war and both sides lose people every day and both sides will continue to express their feelings about it.
they kill 10 civilians per day.
10 per day.
10 civilian killed each day.
10.
Ukraine doesn't react that way everyday.
Russia is reacting that way because US missiles are causing heavy damage to their supply lines, so it's a propaganda opportunity.
They don't care about their civilians, they advertise Crimea for vacations in the middle of a high intensity war. They use their own civilians as human shields.
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The Russians don't react with anger or grief every day either.
There have also been accusations that Ukrainians use civilians and civilian structures as shields. Artillery batteries in school buildings and apartments, for example. It's war and it's brutal from both sides.
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Ukraine war: International Criminal Court seeks arrest of Sergei Shoigu and Valery Gerasimov
Sergei Shoigu and Valery Gerasimov are wanted for their role in attacks on civilians targets.
www.bbc.com
a bit older, but I don't remember it being posted.
Pyongyang Says It Will Send Troops to Ukraine Within a Month
The June 19 defense pact signed between Russia and North Korea included a promise to provide military assistance to one another – within days Pyongyang said it was sending troops to Ukraine.
www.kyivpost.com
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So Russia is now becoming dependent on foreign troops? Interesting because the Ukrainians are doing the fighting themselves. Where are the great Russian patriots willing to die for Greater Russia?
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