[RD] Russia Invades Ukraine: Eight
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Snowygerry
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There are only 150 Chinese involved - they have no say whatsoever in it. Arguably North Korea and Iran are stronger sponsors of the Russian army.
But they will play no part in ending it either, though they may hasten Russia's defeat by being otherwise occupied, and unable to help.
But they will play no part in ending it either, though they may hasten Russia's defeat by being otherwise occupied, and unable to help.
Snowygerry
Deity
That's no doubt one of the lesser known wars in military history, I doubt we can draw any far-reaching conclusions from that one 
Verbose
Deity
This is still Spain, maybe no longer 1936, perhaps more like fighting along the Ebro in 1938?
Sure, the republic was sold out to the Fascists back then, so nothing new there.
Sure, the republic was sold out to the Fascists back then, so nothing new there.
Verbose
Deity
Except it won't be a peace. It will just be a temporary cessation, until Russia is ready to go again.
China and the USA might think it OK to call "bank" on Russian gains, and add some in the process.
Europe still cannot afford it.
exactly, and the most urgent question is how to prevent 1939 now.I think we are only in 1936 - to be honest, nowhere near 1945. Let alone 1989, the real end of the war
Is the answer: by forcing war economy?
The worst thing about some Eu countries preparing for war with Russia, is that they may get their fear realized as a byproduct of the preparation to avoid it.
It is the norm, examples abound (eg war between Russia and Japan ended -in 1905- with the mediation of the US, US forcing Japan to abandon its request for war indemnities. Of course the first Sino-Japanese war is an even better example of peace taking the form the major powers wished, against Japan).That's no doubt one of the lesser known wars in military history, I doubt we can draw any far-reaching conclusions from that one
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Sitting on their haunches led to this mess in the first place. The idea that if they just sit around and do nothing it will somehow deter Putin from invading countries is ludicrous.Is the answer: by forcing war economy?
The worst thing about some Eu countries preparing for war with Russia, is that they may get their fear realized as a byproduct of the preparation to avoid it.
Snowygerry
Deity
Wars end when most of those involved stop fighting, in this case Russians and Ukrainians. Anything else is just politics.
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Broken_Erika
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Russian hairdresser jailed over neighbour claim of spreading fake news
A hairdresser from St Petersburg has been given a jail term of five years and two months on a charge of spreading fake news about the Russian army.Anna Alexandrova denied posting eight anti-war messages on social media, insisting the case was motivated by a squabble over land with a neighbour.
Her neighbour told the BBC that she had complained to prosecutors after Alexandrova had sent her daughter pictures of the war in Ukraine.
Discrediting the armed forces and intentionally spreading fake news about the military became a crime in Russia within weeks of the full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022.
Ever since the war began, the Kremlin has intensified a crackdown on dissent, jailing hundreds of opponents and critics and silencing independent media.
In a separate case on Tuesday, four journalists were jailed in Moscow for five and a half years after being found guilty of working for an "extremist organisation".
Antonina Favorskaya, Kostantin Gabov, Sergey Karelin and Artyom Kriger had all insisted they were only doing their jobs as journalists, but the court found they had produced work used by an anti-corruption group founded by Putin's chief opponent Alexei Navalny.
Navalny was found dead in a penal colony in the Arctic Circle last year. Video captured by Favorskaya on a courtroom video link the day before Navalny's controversial death was the last time he was ever seen alive.
Favorskaya worked for independent outlet SotaVision and was eventually arrested in March 2024 filming in a cemetery where he was buried.
Russia's restrictive laws on dissent have ensnared people from all walks of life.
Denunciations have led to prison terms and Russians have informed on their colleagues and other people they know, in actions reminiscent of the Soviet era when a boy called Pavlik Morozov was lionised for betraying his own father.
Hairdresser Anna Alexandrova, a 47-year-old mother of two children, was first arrested in November 2023 for eight posts she shared via two anonymous accounts on Russian social network VKontakte.
When BBC Russia Editor Steve Rosenberg visited the court last September, Alexandrova's lawyer told him that the case had started out as an ordinary domestic squabble over land.
"One side went to the police but got nowhere. That only changed when the charge of 'fake news about the army' appeared," said Anastasia Pilipenko.
Steve Rosenberg: How snitching case evokes ghosts of Soviet past
It emerged that Anna Alexandrova had initially been on the same side as her neighbour in fighting local deforestation by developers in the village of Korpikyulya, south of St Petersburg.
But they eventually fell out in a row that became increasingly acrimonious.
Although Alexandrova denied sending images from the war to her neighbour, the court sent her to a penal colony and ordered her not to post any further material for the next three years.
Meanwhile, lawyers for a Moscow councillor who was given the first full jail term in July 2022 under the "fake news" law have filed a complaint against the offence with Russia's constitutional court.
Alexei Gorinov was initially given seven years in jail after he was filmed criticising Russia's invasion at a council meeting. He had objected to the idea of a children's drawing contest being held when children were dying in Ukraine.
That initial sentence was extended by a further three years last year when he was accused of criticising the war in a prison hospital.
In a statement on Tuesday, lawyers Katerina Tertukhina and Olga Podoplelova said the 2022 article aimed at combating disinformation did not serve constitutionally legitimate aims.
"Under the guise of protecting public order, it is used to punish anti-war views, criticism of authorities, and the dissemination of information - including truthful information - if it contradicts the official narrative," the lawyers argued.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cd7vy9yenw7o
North Korea soldiers, weapons helped Russia at critical moment in war on Ukraine
North Korea supplied huge quantities of Russian artillery and mortar shells fired against Ukrainian forces.
www.reuters.com
The Reuters investigation shows the extent of Russia’s reliance upon North Korean shells on the battlefield, which helped it pursue a war of attrition that Ukraine has struggled to match. At times over the past year, the vast majority of shells fired by some Russian units were from North Korea, Reuters found.
Shutting down USAID only affected US-based "independent" organizations apparently.
Still no updates on the F-16 from Ukrainian side. They only confirmed loss of the plane and pilot.
Russia claimed kill with S-400 missile. Rare case when reports from both sides don't directly contradict.
Broken_Erika
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This one?
Reading about that second F-16 lost, I've learned they've been stripped of the link-16 system in case they were shoot down over Russian controlled territory, limiting a lot their air to air capabilities.
ANALYSIS: Confirmed Visual on Ukrainian F-16 Loaded for Strike Mission
Video confirms F-16s are flying not only air defense mission, but the multi-role Vipers are also flying ground attack missions loaded with precision guided bombs plus its standard air-to-air missiles.www.kyivpost.com
Reuben Johnson of the Maryland-based defense research group 19FortyFive (1945) on Sunday reported Ukraine’s F-16 fleet has “significant limitations (that) may hinder their effectiveness. The aircraft, sourced from Denmark and the Netherlands, are older models equipped with outdated [though modified] AN/APG-66 radars and stripped of Link 16 communication systems – severely limiting their air-to-air capabilities.”
Link 16 is a US Air Force and NATO-standard state-of-the-art digital data-sharing platform that allows so-equipped aircraft equipped to trade information automatically, and for critical input to be shown on cockpit displays. The networking system gives the side operating it a possibly decisive tactical advantage by enabling pilots to evade threats or attack targets detected by other aircraft.
The US insisted F-16s transferred to Ukraine by the donating nations Norway, Denmark, and the Netherlands be stripped of the Link 16 software and hardware because of concerns a shoot-down of an aircraft might put the advanced data-networking system in Russian hands, Johnson reported.
[...]
The 19FortyFive quoted a Ukrainian engineer: “This is a radar [on the F-16s Ukraine has received] that is less capable even than the versions of the MiG-29’s N019 radar that have been upgraded by our industry. So, it is hard to do much with these aircraft considering what the Russians are putting up against us.”
Ukrainian Air Force pilots have told local defense media they send and receive information about detected threats and targets by voice radio. That communication method dates back to World War II and is often less efficient than automated data link, and is especially prone to inaccurate transfer of information in the heat of combat. Air Force statements say the most common use of Ukrainian F-16s in past months is intercepting Russian kamikaze drones and cruise missiles.
innonimatu
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Sequence of events:
The US-China competition heats up with the reciprocal tariffs.
Well known serial liar in Ukraine starts talking about "chinese soldiers" and uploads a video or recycled propaganda ticteld "north_koreans".
Most people here starts talking like serial liar has stated a fact instead of doing more of the same he usually does.
Nothing comes out of it but "media engagement" for the dwindling faithful and wasted time.
Those who don't want to learn will not learn, ever?
Sequece of events:
Politicans need to pretend thay their beloved war against Russia is being won so they claim that Russia can't produce artillery shells.
Russia just keeps producing ammo and using it to destroying the ukranian army (and NATO stockpiles sent there).
Stockpiles are depleted so public consent must be manufactured for a reducretcion of ogvernments spending towards military productions (assuming money turns magically into ammo...)
NATO's military commander admits that Russia is outproducng the whole of NATO in artillery shell production.
Reuters hasn't been infomed of the change in propagandaand publiches old piece about how poor Russia is depending on tiny North Korea - hense apparently by deduction North Korea is outproducing both Russia and the whole of NATO in artillery shells, according to Reuters.
Don't you think you should think a little about what the media is feeding you, if iy makes any sense at all?
The US-China competition heats up with the reciprocal tariffs.
Well known serial liar in Ukraine starts talking about "chinese soldiers" and uploads a video or recycled propaganda ticteld "north_koreans".
Most people here starts talking like serial liar has stated a fact instead of doing more of the same he usually does.
Nothing comes out of it but "media engagement" for the dwindling faithful and wasted time.
Those who don't want to learn will not learn, ever?
North Korea soldiers, weapons helped Russia at critical moment in war on Ukraine
North Korea supplied huge quantities of Russian artillery and mortar shells fired against Ukrainian forces.
The Reuters investigation shows the extent of Russia’s reliance upon North Korean shells on the battlefield, which helped it pursue a war of attrition that Ukraine has struggled to match. At times over the past year, the vast majority of shells fired by some Russian units were from North Korea, Reuters found.
Sequece of events:
Politicans need to pretend thay their beloved war against Russia is being won so they claim that Russia can't produce artillery shells.
Russia just keeps producing ammo and using it to destroying the ukranian army (and NATO stockpiles sent there).
Stockpiles are depleted so public consent must be manufactured for a reducretcion of ogvernments spending towards military productions (assuming money turns magically into ammo...)
NATO's military commander admits that Russia is outproducng the whole of NATO in artillery shell production.
Reuters hasn't been infomed of the change in propagandaand publiches old piece about how poor Russia is depending on tiny North Korea - hense apparently by deduction North Korea is outproducing both Russia and the whole of NATO in artillery shells, according to Reuters.
Don't you think you should think a little about what the media is feeding you, if iy makes any sense at all?
no, that's an older article. I knew the F-16 sent where old, but I didn't know part of their upgrade was stripped.
doesn't make them useless but they were expected to be able to push back a little the Russian Su-34.
no idea if they can do that at this time
I already explained that's one of the reason I post links here
I know people will point to incoherence.
which you didn't, lacking numbers and sources, using strawman, but thanks for trying.
Ordnael
Emperor
You mispronounced Russia. I'll help R-U-S-S-I-A. We all know the serial liar is in Russia, I mean no comment on well documented North Korean soldiers, calling massacre of Ukrainian civilians mistakes! Bucha didn't happen for the bloody monster in the Kremlin!
Again with mispronunciation! But I'll help, again!
You mispronounced civilians. It's C-I-V-I-L-I-A-N-S. We all know to real target to Russia's mistakes is civilians and not military installation, remember they've told so well in their Russian media that Ukraine shouldn't exist as a sovereign country, their people have no right to their own culture and language...heck not even their kids are safe.But yeah Reuters is lying with all their teeth...you're right nothing so see here about the deliberate massacre of the Ukrainian nation, people, culture and kidnapping of children. It's all a big lie!
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Thorgalaeg
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^I can't help but emphasize the benefits of the ignore button in these cases.
Moderator Action: Discussing the ignore button is trolling, please stop. leif
www.newsweek.com
Maybe the chaotic Trump policies will unexpectedly contribute to Russia defeat.
Moderator Action: Discussing the ignore button is trolling, please stop. leif
Russian economy braces for blow from collapsing oil price
"There are risks here," Elvira Nabiullina, the governor of Russia's central bank, said last week.
www.newsweek.com
Maybe the chaotic Trump policies will unexpectedly contribute to Russia defeat.
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