Trump Assassination Attempt.

[Birdjaguar]

everyone who cares enough to take account, ultimately. And those whose job it is to care, proximally.


The point really is that it wasn’t nobody that pulled a trigger.

With 400 million guns in a nation of 330 million people, there will always be people who want to pull the trigger and have the means to do so.

 

[Crezth]

I mean, I guess we maybe shouldn’t assume that, huh? They clearly don’t want it that badly.

 

[Strong Reaction]

It's a small town police force. Less than 25 including admin staff.

Well the town Butler supposedly has 12 patrol officers and admin, but the Butler Police weren't the only local police on the scene, I assume the area outside the SS perimeter was charged to the local police, state police, and federal authorities. It was hardly a manpower issue NBC states there were dozens of officers (local, state and federal) on the scene and 4 Butler Township police were the ones that tried to confront the shooter. Also, I read somewhere that there were officers (not sure their affiliation) inside the very building the shooter was on. An elevated position with a line of sight to the former President left completely unattended that was in the zone of control of the local police. Id say they effed up. I am not exactly sure who the person is that was in charge of the combined group of law enforcement. Maybe it was a collective command who knows, but the point is they failed and lucked out that the shooter was errant.

 

[Farm Boy]

Outside venues.

Just think how much clearing radius you need if you're trying to clear out shots professional snipers can land. Get someplace nice and flat and you're starting to need up towards of a mile in all directions?

 

[Core Imposter]

Keith Olbermann is repeating the claim that Trump wasn't hit by a bullet. Hit by a piece of glass is the line making the rounds, despite the fact that the teleprompters were left intact. I don't know, maybe liberals aren't any more tethered to the truth than populists.

 

[Zardnaar]

Outside venues.

Just think how much clearing radius you need if you're trying to clear out shots professional snipers can land. Get someplace nice and flat and you're starting to need up towards of a mile in all directions?

Special forces type snipers over 2.

Think there's been a couple of 4km+ shots made.

 

[PPQ_Purple]

Honestly what I find entertaining in this whole situation is how each and every one of the security agencies and police forces that are supposed to protect the potential next in line for the throne of the most powerful nation on earth exhibited such spectacular incompetence at doing so that it makes conspiracy theories sound plausible.

 

[Klaus Hergersheimer]

Well the town Butler supposedly has 12 patrol officers and admin, but the Butler Police weren't the only local police on the scene, I assume the area outside the SS perimeter was charged to the local police, state police, and federal authorities. It was hardly a manpower issue NBC states there were dozens of officers (local, state and federal) on the scene and 4 Butler Township police were the ones that tried to confront the shooter. Also, I read somewhere that there were officers (not sure their affiliation) inside the very building the shooter was on. An elevated position with a line of sight to the former President left completely unattended that was in the zone of control of the local police. Id say they effed up. I am not exactly sure who the person is that was in charge of the combined group of law enforcement. Maybe it was a collective command who knows, but the point is they failed and lucked out that the shooter was errant.

Wouldn't surprise me if every agency involved in this type of security uses its own radio frequencies and/or reporting procedures. And that simply too many agencies were involved in security.
But I guess we'll find out...

 

[Birdjaguar]

Keith Olbermann is repeating the claim that Trump wasn't hit by a bullet. Hit by a piece of glass is the line making the rounds, despite the fact that the teleprompters were left intact. I don't know, maybe liberals aren't any more tethered to the truth than populists.

Are you complaining that KO might be lying about Trump’s injury? Trump has been lying every time he opens mouth for the past 8 years. Why haven’t you complained about that? He spent the entire 90 minute debate lying,

 

[Farm Boy]

Honestly what I find entertaining in this whole situation is how each and every one of the security agencies and police forces that are supposed to protect the potential next in line for the throne of the most powerful nation on earth exhibited such spectacular incompetence at doing so that it makes conspiracy theories sound plausible.

Then you can't have him at a county fair. You just can't. And he might not consider that an acceptable option.

 

[Strong Reaction]

Not sure if this is the right thread, but I'll throw this out there: what does this, the assassination attempt, mean for the country? First, what does it say about the state of the democracy and second what does it mean moving forward. I am no Trump fan, at first I thought I am not really concerned whether he was injured or not, but then after thinking about it I came to this conclusion. It would have been terrible for the country as a whole had he been killed. Most likely there would have been a slew of retribution assassination attempts, it would have amped up the temperature in an already polarized nation. Do we really want to live in a country where political assasination is the norm?

At the same time I can't believe things are going to get better anytime soon. There is much rhetoric from the Right about civil war, then there is the attempted coup by DJT that everyone on the Right just ignores. Trump literally tried to erase the votes of 70+ million voters and steal an election. Associated with that was the violence when his supporters urged on by DJT attacked the Capitol building. Also DJT continually references violence in the streets if... threats especially during his various legal issues. Then we can look at his presidency and see a deeply polarized America, BLM riots, Back the Blue counter demonstrators, the Unite the Right rally and ensuing violence, ad infinitum. All of this happened under his watch and he basically threw gasoline on the fire with his comments.

So the question is what happens if DJT gets elected President? Considering that the Supreme Court has given the office of the President, essentially the powers of a [temporary] King i.e. full immunity to prosecution for official acts, what happens next? Whatever does happen is not going to to be good. The country literally dodged a bullet when Trump was not killed, but my fear is the ensuing anarchy has just been postponed. Suffice to say I have no confidence the Kamala Harris can beat DJT sooo...

Side note the Democratic Party is in disarray and has no clue as to what its voters want. I mean this is the party that thought Hillary was a good candidate. I am an Independent btw for clarifications sake. Kamala = Hillary am I right?

edit: probably not fair to say Kamala and Hillary are the same. Kamala definitely does not have the political baggage that Hillary has, I meant to say charisma wise and presence wise they are very similar i.e. uninspiring.

 

[Kyriakos]

The trajectory more than likely includes more attempts - and ultimately a successful one. Things may well be already in a non-reversible path, more so when the geographical lines for polarized party support form continuous areas state-wise. There's also the historical precedent of such in the US.

 

[Core Imposter]

what happens next?

sorry to break it to you but Trump's second term will be unremarkable

edit: but Vance's second term might be a little spicy

 

[Strong Reaction]

sorry to break it to you but Trump's second term will be unremarkable

edit: but Vance's second term might be a little spicy

Ya, your just saying words based on nothing.

 

[Theov]

sorry to break it to you but Trump's second term will be unremarkable

edit: but Vance's second term might be a little spicy

you have a chrystal ball for the future?
He has the border crisis to deal with, china might get into a financial crisis because of their housing strategy, and there's Russia vs Ukraine still playing a football game to detemine the winner of the grain olympics.

 

[Core Imposter]

you have a chrystal ball for the future?
He has the border crisis to deal with, china might get into a financial crisis because of their housing strategy, and there's Russia vs Ukraine still playing a football game to detemine the winner of the grain olympics.

I was only speaking of the histrionics around Trump ending Democracy. We have a set of global issues that no one seems to have an answer for. The starting place for the next administration will be looking out for America first. That is the foundation. We build from there. A disintegrating America does the world no good.

 

[Core Imposter]

Ya, your just saying words based on nothing.

You obviously haven't been tracking what I have been saying. I've been largely correct on things like the Colorado decision, the immunity ruling, was probably the first one here to label Biden a goner. And, if you look it up, I even said that Trump and his secret service detail were entering a particularly dangerous time not long before the assassination attempt. I am right a little more than my fair share, to the chagrin of many.

I also predicted that if Biden stepped aside that Harris would definitely be the nominee while others were having wet dreams for Newsom and Whitmer. Let's see how that one turns out.

 

[Senethro]

I was only speaking of the histrionics around Trump ending Democracy. We have a set of global issues that no one seems to have an answer for. The starting place for the next administration will be looking out for America first. That is the foundation. We build from there. A disintegrating America does the world no good.

What will Trump do that is good?

Why is that worth overlooking the attempted election theft and the Repub short and long games with the Supreme Court?

 

[EnglishEdward]

What will Trump do that is good?

Why is that worth overlooking the attempted election theft and the Repub short and long games with the Supreme Court?

I don't know, possibly nothing.

But IIRC Donald got the agreement that got the USA (and also the UK) out of Afghanistan political quagmire, signed.

There are two big wars going on:

(a) Russia/Ukraine
(b) Israel/Palestine.

Joe Biden as VP kept the Afghanistan involvement going and as POTUS failed to tell the Afghan
government to stand down, and shows no sign of having any solution to either of these two current wars.

A POTUS that can broker a deal might be a good thing.

Donald Trump seems willing to try, whether he could actually do that is less clear.

A continuity Kamala Harris foreign policy does not seem so attractive to me.

 

[Senethro]

I don't know, possibly nothing.

But IIRC Donald got the agreement that got the USA (and also the UK) out of Afghanistan political quagmire, signed.

There are two big wars going on:

(a) Russia/Ukraine
(b) Israel/Palestine.

Joe Biden as VP kept the Afghanistan involvement going and as POTUS failed to tell the Afghan
government to stand down, and shows no sign of having any solution to either of these two current wars.

A POTUS that can broker a deal might be a good thing.

Donald Trump seems willing to try, whether he could actually do that is less clear.

A continuity Kamala Harris foreign policy does not seem so attractive to me.

OK, but still, how?

What has Trump said about these?