Why Marines?

We have 5 platoons per company, 5 companies per bat... but I kinda excluded the REMFs (command platoons/companies... you know with captains and majors - admin ranks). Our Lts (O1 and O2) and Light Colonels (O5) are where the action is at. Our O3s and O4s file paperwork; beyond O5 who knows what they do. O6 and beyond is not generally for real elites (SF tab people) anyway.
 
How the feck did you hear about that? Yes, it's true (unfortunatly) and still the butt of just about every marine joke in the book (and a few of mine, considering they're the 'other paras' to me). You're not on ARRSE are you?



You are actually right. The SAS are not fans of conventional fighting because, simply put, they might get killed and there aren't that many of them to go around. In general, if an infantry battalion with an armoured troop can't do it, it's probably not worth doing.



SAS soldiers are infantry; and they are the best. You can only join if you're one of the best of the infantry anyway, and then you get far more training than you would ever get in the regular army. SAS personnel who go back to their units are always very valuable. There was quite a famous incident during the war in the Falklands when an SAS section (in fact, it was one of John Hamilton's) radioed to say that they had encountered an Argentine company on the mountain that they were reccing, so the British sent in the marines who saw men coming down from the hill - the SAS section, who had destroyed the enemy almost completely.

I was still serving when that incident came up, being the Mortar platoon Sergeant my cheeky damn cousin who was a Royal at home on leave wanted to know if we ate bananas the 3 Para mortar way,
Sideways :D

SAS the best infantry, our SAS takes blokes from all services and from civilian life for selection.
I would happily put my top tube crew up against any of the SAS lads when it came to skill using a 81.
Difference being is we got a lot more training time in on the tubes.
And we did not use table spoons of petrol that often :goodjob:

A troop of the SAS up against a company of experienced mechanised infantry, my money would be on the infantry with their LAV 3 firepower.
Damn good optics in the LAVs.
 
A troop of the SAS up against a company of experienced mechanised infantry, my money would be on the infantry with their LAV 3 firepower.

You mean LAW. Ever see Bravo Two Zero?

our SAS takes blokes from all services and from civilian life for selection.

Ummm... it's just from service. No civillian has ever served with the SAS - are you sure you're a para?

I'm told that the SBS debate that rather enthusiastically...

That they do. Although, recently they have started working together a lot more, so maybe they can kiss and make up.
 
They may not have been officially designated, but naval infantry has existed since ships first fought. Boarding actions, secuirity, and coastal raids all took men.

And Spanish and Portuguese Marine units both predate France's from 1537 and 1610, respectfully.

Actually, the Portuguese created their "marines" (although they didn't have the same role) at about the same time as the French. They were the Terço da Armada de Portugal, created in 1621. ;)

Maybe you're right about the Spaniards, I have no idea.
 
SAS soldiers are infantry; and they are the best.
Nothing is better than Delta, not even seals.
 
You mean LAW. Ever see Bravo Two Zero?



Ummm... it's just from service. No civillian has ever served with the SAS - are you sure you're a para?





That they do. Although, recently they have started working together a lot more, so maybe they can kiss and make up.

I was far too smart to leap out of a serviceable aircraft at my weight of eighteen stone, the sods would have hooked me up to a cargo chute.
I should have said the NZ SAS, I served with the RNZIR.

A LAW versus a 25mm cannon at 500 metres, my money is on the LAV 3.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LAV_III
Yep read Bravo Two Zero, and I keep on wondering, why the hell were they on foot instead of in Pinks with some firepower ?
I have a suspicion that politics played a part, quicker to get a team in by chopper with those scuds landing on Israel.
 
Delta was probably involved in every ground-based covert action of the past decades.

So what? Does the US require a perfect record for Delta's sake? No, because they are always PART of the action.
 
I wonder who taught Delta what they know to start with ?
Who gives a damn? My dad taught me how to ski a decade ago; does that make him a better skier than I am now?
 
For what it is worth (and I am loath to bring this up), but the USMC is under the department of the Navy. The Commandant of the Marine Corps answers to the Secretary of the Navy and PROBABLY the Chief of Naval Operations as well. Please do not make a habit of bringing this up, though.

Oh come on VRWC, when they say the Marines are under the Department of the Navy, you merely respond: "Yea, the Men's Department!"
 
But for instance, when space becomes more militarised, and bombardment may also be carried out from orbit or very high altitude, would there be a point in having the Air Force around? Or would it be better to let there be three branches (Army, Navy, Space) with each having their own aircrafts? Oh, and if we ever build space ships, I guess the Marines would be needed on those ships too...

Actually, if a Scientific American *(a very legit magazine( article I read 3 years ago was correct - in about 22 years the Marine Corps is expecting a "space ship" that can take off on it's own and deliver 13 marines any where in the world in under 3 hours.

It's not really meant to be a "outer space ship" so much as it is a space ship - Go up high and use that to travel quickly any where in the world.

I am not smart enough to articulate how traveling into space allows you to travel any where in 3 hours but it does.



* When I say very legit I mean - it's been around over 150 years and it seems all of their prediction are accurate, as show by their articles from 50,100 and 150 years ago shown in every edition - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_American


P.S. please note, yours was the last post I read before posting that - so if someone beat me too it I am sorry.
 
I was far too smart to leap out of a serviceable aircraft at my weight of eighteen stone, the sods would have hooked me up to a cargo chute.
I should have said the NZ SAS, I served with the RNZIR.

OK, sorry. Rant over. I assumed you meant that you were the mortar platoon sergeant.

A LAW versus a 25mm cannon at 500 metres, my money is on the LAV 3.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LAV_III
Yep read Bravo Two Zero, and I keep on wondering, why the hell were they on foot instead of in Pinks with some firepower ?
I have a suspicion that politics played a part, quicker to get a team in by chopper with those scuds landing on Israel.

I said at the time and always will say that they should have used wheels, but their logic was that they would probably be needed to hide somewhere, which you can't do with cars; but why didn't they just take them in and leave them a few miles from their OP to be picked up by a bird? They said something about not being able to carry enough fuel, but they could have taken more than enough quite easily.
 
I wonder who taught Delta what they know to start with ?
Delta, Delta, were they not involved in a trip to Iran in 79 that went just a touch wrong ?

No, they weren't.

Delta was created after and because of that debacle.
 
I've heard that the Viking Squad, as they are so wonderfully named, cannot be beaten on counter-terrorism. I understand that one of their proudest achievements is that they've never killed anyone.

Iceland #1!

The name alone puts them ahead of the competition.
 
@Ecofarm. What do you mean by "consent" by the US Army or Marines for various movies? Can't people just make any movies they please about such things? Is it a matter of not having the service's help in terms of details, equipment, etc.? Or can they literally veto any such portrayal of themselves?
 
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