2020 US Election (Part 3)

[Kyriakos]

Pics or it didn't happen

Don't be silly; there were no computers back then.

 

[Zardnaar]

If the U.S. had proportional representation, and all the institutional tactics of Third Party and Independent candidate suppression were lifted, and the FEC and Federal Justices were mandatorily Nonpartisan, and all party nominations were by private convention, with none through Primaries via the public electoral agencies (basically, addressing all of my concerns), you're statements that the "big parties would still dominate," and, "Trump could win in a proportional system," is still just one your trademark lazy, defeatist, ill-thought-out statements with no veracity, no backing, and just by simple fiat alone. Even if proportionate representation were the only change, your statement remains exactly as I just stated.

The big parties would fracture, the centrists become kingmakers and Trump would do his rallies in California.

As I understand it more people vote libertarian than greens so the right would pick up some seats there.

Being America they would probably screw it up anyway.

The new strategy would favor big states and whoever bribes the centrists the best.

Midwest could probably get epic levels of federal funding.

 

[Sommerswerd]

Don't be silly; there were no computers back then.

Paintings or it didn't happen

 

[Sommerswerd]

Don't be silly; there were no computers back then.

Also... you think there were computers when this was taken?

 

[Zardnaar]

Also... you think there were computers when this was taken?

Photoshop, fake news, deep fakes etc!!!!!!!!!

 

[Kyriakos]

Regardless of what you may have heard through the grapevine, I didn't take part in the US civil war, if that's what you are insinuating or to get me to acknowledge the corn.

 

[Patine]

As I understand it more people vote libertarian than greens so the right would pick up some seats there.

But that's not the point. It wouldn't be relevant in that case. In a multi-party system, there would no "right," and "left," blocs as solid entities to pick up votes defined that way, as such (despite the oddness of that terminology as it is in the U.S., given the Democratic Party of the United States' political leadership is actually Centrist to Centre-Right on the Political Spectrum, and the Left-Wing of the Party is just a mascot for show to get voters who normally wouldn't support Democratic Party ideals, but would be the most likely in the U.S., right now, to form a credible Third Party alternative if they weren't hoodwinked. This "Left-wing," pied-piper branch of the party - EXACTLY the same as Pence playing pied-piper for Trump to get Social Conservatives to vote for the most personally socially amoral and apathetic U.S. President to take office - but these pied-pipers then proceed to have EXREMELY limited say in policy).

 

[Patine]

Regardless of what you may have heard through the grapevine, I didn't take part in the US civil war, if that's what you are insinuating or to get me to acknowledge the corn.

Too busy fighting the Turks at the time?

 

[Sommerswerd]

Photoshop, fake news, deep fakes etc!!!!!!!!!

Of course. Black people are fake news... that's why Trump won Georgia

 

[Kyriakos]

Too busy fighting the Turks at the time?

I was actually in the Second Empire France. Later on I sadly was besieged at Metz.

 

[Zardnaar]

But that's not the point. It wouldn't be relevant in that case. In a multi-party system, there would no "right," and "left," blocs as solid entities to pick up votes defined that way, as such (despite the oddness of that terminology as it is in the U.S., given the Democratic Party of the United States' political leadership is actually Centrist to Centre-Right on the Political Spectrum, and the Left-Wing of the Party is just a mascot for show to get voters who normally wouldn't support Democratic Party ideals, but would be the most likely in the U.S., right now, to form a credible Third Party alternative if they weren't hoodwinked. This "Left-wing," pied-piper branch of the party - EXACTLY the same as Pence playing pied-piper for Trump to get Social Conservatives to vote for the most personally socially amoral and apathetic U.S. President to take office - but these pied-pipers then proceed to have EXREMELY limited say in policy).

We have proportional it's still left vs right.

Greens get a say along with the centrists (just went extinct), and some smaller parties.

They still have to work with one of the big parties who generally get 25-45% of the vote each.

 

[Zardnaar]

Of course. Black people are fake news... that's why Trump won Georgia

I refect your reality and substitute my own.

Looked Civil War era to me.

 

[Patine]

We have proportional it's still left vs right.

Greens get a say along with the centrists (just went extinct), and some smaller parties.

They still have to work with one of the big parties who generally get 25-45% of the vote each.

You're not the only example of it to judge from. Grand Coalitions in Germany and Austria, wonky coalitions of convenience in utter defiance of ideological borders in the Low Countries and many Eastern European nations, and Netanyahu's recent coalition with an ideologically incompatible party in Israel show New Zealand is not even the BEST example of how this electoral system tends to work. But the need for COMPROMISE is it's primary feature.

 

[FriendlyFire]

Gaslight
Obstruct
Project <---- we are here now

LOL and Republicans scream about 1 Mil that Hunter Biden made from Ukraine.

‘A Serious Matter’: Criminal Probe into Bill Barr’s Former Client Was Shelved One Week After He Was Nominated Attorney General

The Reuters wire service reports that “[DOJ] officials in Washington told the investigative team in the active criminal probe of Caterpillar to take ‘no further action’ in the case, according to an email written by one of the agents” and reviewed by the outlet.
According to the Internal Revenue Service (IRS), Caterpillar, Inc. owes the federal government some $2.3 billion in back taxes and penalties after trying to dodge U.S. taxes by creating a shell company in Switzerland in order to take advantage of the Swiss tax rate.
That investigation came to a head in 2017 when three federal law enforcement agencies raided the company’s offices in Illinois.

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profil...week-after-he-was-nominated-attorney-general/

 

[Birdjaguar]

^^^ Are we talking about the same William Barr who is AG of the US? I mean there could be another attorney with the same name couldn't there? That article smacks of corruption and I'm pretty sure the AG of the US would never stoop so low a to interfere with an investigation.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

So what do you think of the reports that Trump asked his Security Council whether he could bomb some Iranian Nuclear Sites? How do you square that with your impression of him as a pacifist? Thank god, the people in his cabinet have enough morality left to steer him away from starting the biggest war in the middle east yet while in his lame duck period...

(And btw. the developments there are a harsh indication that the policy of sanctions and killing generals in third countries does not work, whereas the Deal...)

I think you started this inquiry off on the wrong foot with "What do you think ..."

Maybe try: what have you been told on youtube ...? Or: what does twitter say about ...?

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Much swamp. Very election.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/18/...-certification-conspiracy-theories/index.html

On November 7, the day major news outlets projected Joe Biden President-elect, Hartmann posted on Facebook, "I'm reading the news on how great things are now that Biden and Harris are in as declared by the MSM. What will happen if it doesn't happen once the official results are tallied? I wouldn't sell the farm yet."

Later that day, he wrote, "I'm not really one to promote conspiracy theories" but told his Facebook friends to look up "hammer and scorecard" a conspiracy theory that has been widely debunked but did go viral after the election.
On November 9, Hartmann furthered a conspiracy theory pushed by some Trump supporters that suggested the timing of the announcement of a Covid-19 vaccine was politically motivated: "As predicted: Not even a week after the election and they've now got a covid vaccine that's 90% effective." CNN has reached out to Hartmann for comment through social media, email and through phone numbers listed as being associated with him.

In October, he shared a link to an OAN video that pushed a widely debunked conspiracy theory that claims hospitals are inflating the Covid-19 death-toll by falsely reporting deaths from the virus. "Eye Opener. Do the math. How much were Hospitals overpaid by falsely reporting?" Hartmann wrote.
That post was labeled as false by Facebook's fact-checkers.

 

[Zardnaar]

Interesting article about Georgia Senate run off.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...re-invading-georgia-help-with-senate-runoffs/

Basically don't flood the state with people who don't know much about local affairs.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Interesting article about Georgia Senate run off.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...re-invading-georgia-help-with-senate-runoffs/

Basically don't flood the state with people who don't know much about local affairs.

Yet you see no contradiction in you, a kiwi, inserting your 2 cents on the topic

 

[Zardnaar]

Yet you see no contradiction in you, a kiwi, inserting your 2 cents on the topic

No because it's CFC. Not USA. I'm not donating money or going to Georgia. Internal USA business.