2020 US Election (Part 3)

[Angst]

What are you talking about? The Hindenburg was not only predictable, it was predicted. Only the location was uncertain.

A turnout increase six times the maximum expected, that's an anomaly.

J

I completely agree! The location was uncertain and awaited. After a long time of very good track records of zeppelin safety, suddenly it happened to a Nazi zeppelin, with footage only being caught far after the initial fire. It's pretty much indicative of US fighters shooting it down in the interesting of curtailing German industry, and sadly it's one of those things that's very hard to get proof of when it wasn't filmed. But we'll get there J. I promise we'll get them into court

 

[El_Machinae]

A turnout increase six times the maximum expected, that's an anomaly.

Link articles, vague allusions eventually tire people out.

 

[Birdjaguar]

A turnout increase six times the maximum expected, that's an anomaly.

J

Not given the pre-election fervor over voting and the four years of constant discord across the country. Having more people on both sides decide this election was important enough to make the effort to vote is not surprising at all. Mail in voting also added to the ease with which people could vote. To not have such a surge would mean that all those campaign dollars spent to rile up the voters had gone to waste. Statistics have nothing to do with this. They are a backward looking tool (like accounting) that one can use to account for changes. Campaign rhetoric and spending are forward looking tools that try to drive change. They worked well this year to spark increased turnout.

 

[Angst]

Link articles, vague allusions eventually tire people out.

He can't, neither can I. Articles are controlled by people that write articles. J is on to it, and so am I. We all know they did it until we've proven they didn't. The Democrats have to show video footage that doesn't exist of people that don't commit voter fraud. Pennsylvania's livestream of the poll workers doesn't count, because that's obviously planted.

 

[mitsho]

A turnout increase six times the maximum expected, that's an anomaly.

Yes, only an aberration such as Trump could evoke such a reaction that both sides are energised as they were.

 

[Bamspeedy]

There are ranges that occur naturally. When something is outside the range, then you check more closely.

Of course. Look more closely. This was not an ordinary election.

1. Trump was far more hated by his opponents than your normal republican candidate, mostly because of things he himself said.
Biden got far more votes than Clinton did, sure.
But '20 Trump got far more votes than '16 Trump. So what's the problem? Biden 'cheated' better than Trump?

2. Mail-in balloting was far higher this year. That is explained by a little virus if you haven't heard, not by dead voters/'illegal' voters. Voter turnout set records all over the place and was widely reported before election day even happened. People not working, getting bored at home since there was nothing to do, had more time to think about things like voting. This was not a problem in 2016, 2012, 2008, 2004, etc.

Undercount is particularly important because fake ballots tend to be done this way. Future President Lyndon Johnson was elected to the Senate using a bag of fake ballots. This was one of those cases where it was suspected but not proven until much later, in this case after his death.

Local election 70 years ago, sure, fraud can happen. Had this election come down to one county in one state you may have a point.

More troublesome is the turnout. Since computer tallying is involved, the possibility of fabricating millions of votes in multiple states is legitimate. It has only been two weeks and things are in the investigation stage, at least publicly

Again, there are obvious explanations for the turnout. As the electoral vote totals show, Trump in '20 is as a horrible candidate as Hillary was in '16. Oh, how some would go back in time to change their vote after dealing with Trump for 4 years.

And Dominion voting machines were used in half the states, many won by Trump, including Ohio, Florida and Texas.

In the George W. Bush years, the conspiratorial left focused on Diebold, a maker of electronic voting machines. It would be a mistake for anyone on the right to go down a similar dead end, especially if Georgia’s paper ballots give the same result as the computers.

I was just thinking of that but see it's already been said.

 

[Berzerker]

You mean you give Trump the benefit of the doubt because you, like him, are a liar and a charlatan.

Oh no, a cutthroat called me a liar... They're not lies, they're inconvenient truths. You keep voting for mass murderers, how do you detach the bloody trail they left behind from your moral compass? How do you hide that away out of sight when you're preaching to us about lesser evils? Russiagate was 4 years of lies, so many lies they infected a Fisa court allowing Trump's political opponents to spy on him.

He gets the benefit of the doubt because there is evidence showing Ukrainian interference in the 2016 election and Biden's involvement with bribing them to fire a prosecutor investigating his son's company. The lie - one of many - was he fired him for refusing to investigate Burisma.

Thats why Trump gets the benefit of the doubt and I would bestow it on anyone in his position. I gave Russiagaters the benefit of the doubt too, they had me believing Mueller was going to nail Trump and all they got on him was some "obstruction" allegations for trying to rein in Obama's corrupt DoJ. If you're looking for lies, Russiagate is the donkey in the room.

It really is too bad that Trump crapped all his credibility before he was allowed to do anything important, eh? Don't think I'm defending Hunter and Joe here, I'm not. I'm honestly lamenting that the (R) chose a terrible liar to spearhead important issues

I agree he's a poor vessel but I dont think an establishment R would have spearheaded much of anything. Trump stumbling around like a panicked bull in a china shop helped pull back the curtain on the Wizard.

Damn that is some grade A salty spin

That was what Trump asked about during his infamous phone call. Crowdstrike and other election interference and Biden, Burisma and Shokin. The spin was Trump wanted Ukraine to fabricate evidence.

So a long list of accusations that couldn't break through in the court of public opinion and that didn't convince the electorate who by how many millions now went for the other guy? You can't repeat the old hits ad nauseam, they've been looked at and discredited. Come back when you have something new and tangible.

Which ones were discredited?

 

[mitsho]

So what do you think of the reports that Trump asked his Security Council whether he could bomb some Iranian Nuclear Sites? How do you square that with your impression of him as a pacifist? Thank god, the people in his cabinet have enough morality left to steer him away from starting the biggest war in the middle east yet while in his lame duck period...

(And btw. the developments there are a harsh indication that the policy of sanctions and killing generals in third countries does not work, whereas the Deal...)

 

[innonimatu]

I had wondered here about Trump shooting himself in the foot with his campaign against absentee and late ballots. Looks like people are making that observation now.

President Trump likely lost the election in Georgia because his comments on mail-in voting led some Republican voters to avoid casting ballots, Georgia secretary of state Brad Raffensperger told Atlanta-based WSBTV on Tuesday.

 

[innonimatu]

Writing about predictable irony, in the election, another one:

On November 3, voters in Portland, Maine delivered a stinging rebuke to Mayor Kate Snyder and all but one city councilor by voting overwhelmingly to back four out of five referenda placed on the ballot by People First Portland (PFP). Portlanders supported raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour (62.4 percent), mandating Green New Deal building codes (59.5 percent), banning police use of facial recognition software (65.6 percent), and establishing rent control and tenant protections (58.3 percent). A measure restricting short-term rentals (which take much-needed housing stock off the market for local residents) lost so narrowly that a recount is underway (50.3 to 49.7 percent). All this despite the Chamber of Commerce, well-heeled developers, and the corporate headquarters of Airbnb spending $1,000,000 (nearly all of it in the final month) to defeat the measures. PFP, for its part, raised approximately $30,000 and relied on an all-volunteer effort spearheaded by members from the local Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) and coalition partners including the Southern Maine Labor Council (along with a half-dozen union locals), Black P.O.W.E.R. (formerly Black Lives Matter Portland), the Southern Maine Workers Center, Fair Rent Portland, Our Revolution Maine, the Portland Green Party, and Progressive Portland.
[...]
Mayor Snyder and the majority of city councilors campaigned against PFP by warning that, should the referenda pass, they could not be altered by the city council for five years. They warned the referenda would override the city council’s authority and “subvert the open public process.” This claim was always patently ridiculous, but it may have helped propel PFP to victory as voters sought an end run around the council’s failure to act against the rapid pace of gentrification in the city.
[...]
Incredibly, Mayor Snyder and the majority of the city council are now attempting to sabotage the election results. On the advice of counsel, the city council is claiming that the time-and-a-half hazard pay provision — that was clearly spelled out in the minimum wage referendum and was the target of hundreds of thousands of dollars of negative campaigning — should not be implemented until January 2022, instead of December 3, 2020 as the referendum calls for. Faced with the clear will of the majority of voters, Snyder summed up her hesitation to raise essential workers’ pay by commenting, “There’s a lot of interpretation that happens.”

Nothing incredible about it at all.

 

[Lexicus]

Nothing incredible about it at all.

No, not a bit. In DC we passed a referendum to raise the tipped minimum wage and it was actually just straight-up repealed by the (Democratic) city council before taking effect.

 

[Sommerswerd]

No, not a bit. In DC we passed a referendum to raise the tipped minimum wage and it was actually just straight-up repealed by the (Democratic) city council before taking effect.

Send them to gaol.

 

[Gori the Grey]

Trump stumbling around like a panicked bull in a china shop helped pull back the curtain on the Wizard.

To mix metaphors a little bit.

 

[Kyriakos]

Apparently Biden once introduced himself to some greek voters as "Joe Bidenopoulos".
I remain sceptical about his policy in the region, but we will inevitably see. The greek lobby in the US may be connected, but it isn't quite the israeli lobby, though supposedly they now work more together.

 

[Zardnaar]

Apparently Biden once introduced himself to some greek voters as "Jo Bidenopoulos".
I remain sceptical about his policy in the region, but we will inevitable see...

I would make superior world emperor. You would at least get Constantinople back and I would crown myself Constantine XII Emperor for life.

Unfortunatly we tried that in 1915 didn't go well. You'll have to take a rain check.

 

[Kyriakos]

I would make superior world emperor. You would at least get Constantinople back and I would crown myself Constantine XII Emperor for life.

Unfortunate we tried that in 1915 didn't go well.

You aren't of Komnenian nor Palaiologian descent, so would effectively be a usurper.
That said, the first Palaiologos also was an usurper. But at least he was greek

 

[Zardnaar]

You aren't of Komnenian nor Palaiologian descent, so would effectively be a usurper.
That said, the first Palaiologos also was an usurper. But at least he was greek

Wouldn't be the first. Not all Byzantines Emperor's were Greek either.

I suppose the Empire of Zealandia could create a puppet state as a Byzantine revival.

I could crown you as empress stick you in a dress and marry you. You would look get hung in purple.

Look at the advantages. All the lamb you could eat for your Souvlaki!!!

 

[Kyriakos]

Eh, I am not LGBT
And in no world would Zealandia have any vassal in Europe, let alone anything controlling Constantinople ^_^

 

[Zardnaar]

Eh, I am not LGBT
And in no world would Zealandia have any vassal in Europe, let alone anything controlling Constantinople ^_^

Neither am I marriage wouldn't be consummated.

I just thought sticking you in a purple dress would be hilarious.

Once we annex Australia (peacefully) you're outnumbered alot.

We'll fake some claims on North Africa, Greece, Gallipoli, Italy. Works for everyone else.

Nova Romanum Zealandia.

 

[Patine]

I completely agree! The location was uncertain and awaited. After a long time of very good track records of zeppelin safety, suddenly it happened to a Nazi zeppelin, with footage only being caught far after the initial fire. It's pretty much indicative of US fighters shooting it down in the interesting of curtailing German industry, and sadly it's one of those things that's very hard to get proof of when it wasn't filmed. But we'll get there J. I promise we'll get them into court

No! It was the Commies! To get revenge for the Red Scare in the U.S. and the Nazis putting Communists and Socialists - including their hero, Ernst Thalmann, who REALLY beat Hitler at the ballot box in 1933 - into Concentration camps along with Jews, Romani, Homosexuals, pacificistic Christian denominations, non-Whites in Germany, etc.! After all, the passenger roster of the Hindenburg had a lot of members from both Nazi Germany and the U.S. - but suspiciously, not a single Soviet citizen!